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Paul Douglas
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Suggestions for on-line lessons needed.

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I know there have been lots of posts over the years asking about on-line lessons so apologies for adding to them, but I haven't found exactly what I'm looking for, so thought I'd ask for suggestions. Apologies also for this being such a long post but I want to make it clear about where I am now and where I want to be heading.

I'm new to steel guitar, and to guitar as a whole (so those lessons that say "you can apply all the stuff you already know..." have no particular value for me). I play clarinet and have done a fair bit of music theory, so not a music beginner, but obviously you don't play chords on a clarinet, and the theory I have done has all been in the context of classical music.

I've had a lap steel guitar for about 2 months now, and one of the things I've been doing is trying out different bars. I tried a Shubb SP1 which I quite liked but holding it hurts my hand. I then tried a Shubb GS bar (the one with the wooden handle) and I found that much more comfortable than the SP1 but more awkward to use as the tips are quite pointed and catch under the strings. I then tried a bullet bar, which I liked, and following a recommendation from another thread on this forum, I've just taken delivery of an Ezzee-Slide polymer bullet-style bar and this is great, easy for me to hold (and sounds good too!). What I need now is to work out the best way to use it, which is part of the reason for this post.

I was first tempted to try a bullet bar rather than a Stevens-type bar by a youtube video I watched by Ethan Shaw (as in Texas Swing Revival) who has a little series about getting started on lap steel with one video specifically about the bar. He strongly recommended a bullet bar over anything else: he says lots of people do use Stevens bars, particularly those playing resonator guitars where pull-offs and hammer-ons are a big part of the style, but that bullet bars are better for lap steel where less lifting of the bar is involved. I enjoy this style of playing.

I looked at various posts on this forum about lessons and the two most obvious choices were the Georgeboards lessons or Troy Brenningmeyer; I went with Troy because my primary aim is to be able to play some basic blues, probably in Open D. I've enjoyed the lessons and I think they've got me off to a good start but feel I'm running out of steam with them a bit. This is partly because I've reached the end of the most obviously structured part of what he offers, and partly because his style seems to involve a huge amount of bar tilting, pull-offs/hammer-ons, etc, that work well with the Shubb bars but not so well with the bullets.

I'll be continuing with Troy but I'd like to start something else as well. My wish-list would be:
  • slow blues played solo rather than with backing tracks
  • continuing with Open D or, at a pinch, low bass Open G (instead or as well), but not switching to C6
  • some sort of steady progression I can follow: master this, move on to that which is a little bit harder, and so on
  • learn some songs I can play rather than assorted licks and scales that I don't really know what to do with
I'm happy to pay, I'm not looking for free stuff in particular, and I'm not looking for Zoom lessons - I want an on-line course that I can work through at my own pace.

If anyone can suggest any resources that tick as many of my boxes as possible I'd be most grateful.

Thank you!
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Welcome to the forum Paul.

As you have learned, the stevens bar is designed for dobro style playing where hammer on and pull offs are an essential part of that style. What makes them great for dobro makes them terrible for lap steel playing (unless you are playing lap steel like a dobro ala jerry douglas). The bullet bar was designed to make it easy to move up and down the frets and not get hung up, as you have discovered.

Lessons with Troy covers both dobro style AND lap style. however, most of the lapsteel lessons focus on C6 tuning, although I believe there are some in D tuning. I'd suggest listening to David Lindley, if you haven't already, since he plays in a style you would probably like. Other sources for lessons are Homespun https://www.homespun.com/ Searching under "Lap Steel" will bring up a number of lap steel courses including one from Kelly Joe Phelps which specializes in D tuned lapstyle playing.

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Bill - thank you both for welcome and for your helpful information.

Troy has several series of lessons including Open D on lap steel. However, whereas it looks like all the C6 lessons are demonstrated on a lap steel, the majority of the Open D ones are demonstrated on a Dobro, and I get the impression that he is indeed primarily a Dobro player. I've had a quick listen to David Lindley on Youtube and you are right, I do like what I've heard. I will look into the Homespun site later. I have done quite a few general searches for lap steel lessons and found lots of stuff, so much that it's hard to wade through it all. I will check out the KJP lessons as I don't remember encountering them at all.

Thanks again - much appreciated.
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Troy gives private zoom lessons, I took one from him not long ago. More expensive but tailored to your level.

He gave me a huge amount of value during that lesson. I still have not gotten through it all yet but will take another soon!
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If you haven't seen Lindley play mercury blues yet, you are in for a treat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdhxS-eeMX4
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It might be pretty tough to find exactly what you’re looking for. If you want to play solo style blues on your Open-D tuned lap steel, you kinda have to learn the D-minor pentatonic scale, along with how to establish your own rhythm groove to a basic 12-bar blues progression. Also, hammer-ons and pull-offs that utilize the open strings represent about 50% or more of what makes solo blues fun and interesting. They can be done with a bullet bar, of course, but pull-offs are not as effective as with a Stevens or Schubb.

There are a good number of bottleneck slide guitar video lessons out on YouTube that are more closely related stylistically to what you are interested in than the bulk of any you’ll find on the lap steel. Like this one maybe?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=shgxDdRqxY8

Technique-wise, it might be better in some ways to refer back to the lap steel specific types.
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I think you're on the right track with Troy's lessons. He has lots of materials on open D. If you view his library as a journey it seems like he personally settled on open D in a roots style as his personal area of interest and really leaned into it for a few years. He definitely hit the benders hard when they were having their Goetze inspired phase, but there is still plenty of material available for you to dig into.

The second part of your question seems to be based around which bar to use. I would suggest that it doesn't matter as much you might be thinking. If you were leaning towards C6 and lots of slants, yeah bullet all the way. If you were leaning towards bluegrass dobro then yes, you'll likely want a Steven's bar. But in D for blues either can work just fine and just about everything you can do on one you can do on the other, it's just that some things will be easier or harder.

I would then say that the bar is less about what works than what works for you, and if there is someone who has a pile of lessons teaching what you want to learn but does it with a Steven's bar it might make sense to consider using a Stevens. The thing about being online is that we sometimes over-inform ourselves with opinions and try to make all the best decisions when the path of least resistance towards our goal is actually based around a few compromises.
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Just back in to share a link to Troy's lessons in D on lap steel. His old website is still up and does mostly have D lessons on Dobro. But his newer website has lots of lap steel open D lessons as well: https://lwtstreaming.com/categories/open-d-dadfad
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Fred: it has been tough to find exactly what I'm looking for! I take your point that there is stuff I need to learn (though I do know about scales). However, I maybe should have added to my already long list of qualifiers that my level of ambition is pretty low! I'm not in the first flush of youth and I will remain primarily a clarinet player, but I've always liked the sound of steel guitar and have had a lot of fun so far playing it. Troy's first lesson beyond absolute basics was Amazing Grace and even though it was short and simple, playing that felt like a good achievement. I also very much enjoyed doing his slow blues - that is with a backing track and that's ok, I just don't want to have to have one all the time. I am not giving up on Troy either - I've learned his basic pentatonic licks and moveable blues licks and have just started his intro to blues which I'm hoping will give me some sort of framework for using the licks. I've also started his Sitting On Top Of The World lesson, but that seems to me like a pretty big step up from what preceded it. If I could learn a few more songs/pieces that I could play, and maybe play around with, that would be great.
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That’s a great lesson! Chunk it, just like Troy is doing. Learn the first 4 measures of Sittin’ On Top Of The World, get it as clean and in time as possible. Then the next 4, and put them together. Then the next 4, etc. Work on your bar technique (note that he’s not using a bullet) and pick hand accuracy, tone, pitch, and muting when necessary.

Think of each lick in the melody as a separate little tune. By chunking it out, you turn 1 lesson into 6 or 8.
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Thanks everyone - lots to think about!
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