Need help identifying this Emmons.

[Tyler Button]

So I picked up this Emmons all pull on reverb. Jumped on it for 2k because...well. It's and emmons D-10 for 2k.

Or maybe it is. She's an odd bird that I can't make out so maybe some of y'all who are much smarter than me can help.

She's all pull but she doesn't have a short key head.

She's got a two-up two down changer.

pedals look right but they don't have casting numbers on the bottom like my other emmons.

Wood necks.

only printing on the plates says SA8.

Pickup switch looks crude as does the mechanics on the bottom.

The pickups are a mess. They look like they don't fit and the strings are just about touching the magnets.

Is this a Frankenstein? a prototype? something doesn't seem right to my inexperianced eyes.

The case is even something I've never come across before.

[Tyler Button]

[Tyler Button]

Am I at least correct that this is odd?

I feel like if it wasn’t somebody would have at least said:

“Tyler. You’re an idiot. It’s just an Emmons all pull guitar”

[Jim Palenscar]

It's definitely strange- I've never seen an all pull w round cross shafts and bellcranks like that nor w changer pillar/pillow blocks like that and lottsa other things in the pics are unusual.

[Skip Edwards]

Maybe it's one of those p/p's that Bobbe Seymour converted to an all pull.

[Jon Light (deceased)]

I believe this same guitar appears in this thread (scroll down):
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That scale-adjustable 'bolt-on' block came up in a picture here on the forum not too long ago but I can't for the life of me remember where or when.

[Tyler Button]

I think this might be that exact guitar all the way down to the weird fold up LKR lever flopping around like a college freshman in their first bar.

[Jon Light (deceased)]

The pillow block caught my eye but that lever seemed to clinch it. Ironically and unfortunately, that link goes to a discussion that is totally inconclusive as to whose work this is.

[Tyler Button]

At the end of the day it’s neither here nor there.

Sometimes interesting things have interesting stories and sometimes a guy named Cliff made a bad decision on a Sunday.

Do I wish this fell in the former camp? Absolutely.

But at the same time it looks more likely that I have a guitar that I can throw in the truck and play all-night bar gigs with where the patrons won’t necessarily notice if something doesn’t bend all the way to pitch and I won’t necessarily mind a ding or spilled beer.

While gigging and touring with traditional guitars gives them more character. Doing so with pedal steels gives me nothing but headaches and I can only drive out to see Jim P. only so often.

[john buffington]

The changer looks like another Bobbe Seymour "conversion" I have seen, identical down to the cross shafts. IMO is it a Seymour "Original". Last one I saw was a S-10 p/p converted to an all-pull.

[Tyler Button]

Thanks for this. Bobbe was before my time here. I looked him up and found this thread about it and I think it’s hilarious that they way this thread seems to sum Bobbe up as a person is exactly how I would sum up this guitar.

If this guitar was built by him it seems to be a pretty apt reflection of the man described in this thread and that only makes me love it more.


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[Tyler Hall]

Hey, I’ve played that guitar in the back of Seymour’s shop! I forget the story behind it. I was thinking Duane Marrs did the conversion but John’s right, it doesn't look like Duane’s work underneath. Maybe after a nap I’ll remember some bits and pieces but I’d think you got a pretty good deal.

Something about a black Emmons.