What does an early 12 string keyless Williams go for?

[Jon Schimek]

Hey folks.

I bought a really nice looking Williams U12 keyless (no series name and sub-60 serial) on craigslist a few months back. It has beautiful inlays but the old style keyless tuner with the long threaded posts (sorry don’t have pics at the moment). It’s got a George L pickup.

I sorta bought it on a whim thinking it could replace my MSA U12 and because I suffer from GAS, but it’s just not my jam.

I’m struggling to understand prices these days. What is a ballpark fair price to ask here?

I have tried searching the forum but I only see newer Williams that have sold in the last few years and they are just beyond this steel.

Thanks
Jon

[Jon Schimek]

Also let me know if this is not appropriate in this section and I’ll repost elsewhere

Regards
Jon

[Bill McCloskey]

how many levers and pedals? What is the tuning?

[Jon Schimek]

Uggh. Its at a friends house, but I just realized its not a U12, but rather extended e9 with 4 floors and 5 knees.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Bill McCloskey]

Last williams ext E9 4x5 on the forum sold for $3k

[Jon Schimek]

Ok thanks.

I saw that one in my searches but it's not a great match.

I see MSA classics for around 2k so maybe that’s the baseline for an older non-student guitar.

I think maybe this question is too open ended.

[Bill McCloskey]

I think you already have your answer

[Jerry Overstreet]

Not that there is anything wrong with the very first Williams guitars, but there have been many changes and upgrades in the last 25 yrs.

I don't like suggesting values that much, but with a few pics of the guitar, we might be able to make some comparisons with the current Williams guitars.