Universal e9 b6…Jeff Newman vs Cowboy Eddie Long copendent

James Parsley · Post by **James Parsley** » 4 Jul 2024 12:22 pm

Howdy everyone

I’m thinking about converting my used 12 string 7x5 back to universal tuning. I picked it up used set up as an extended e9. I have it restrung now and enjoying the tuning. I currently have the Edmonds set up with the zero pedal set up like Eddie Long raising the G# a full step. I’m still undecided if I want to set it up similar to Eddie Long or a Newman universal copedent. What are pros and cons to each? I’m thinking about the Eddie set up with the zero pedal because I already had the zero pedal installed and didn’t want to re rod all the pedals lol.

I haven’t installed the other 3 pedals yet. I’ve been studying the consents.

Does anyone know why the Newman universal tuning moved the “BooWah” pedal from pedal 8 to pedal 4?

Thanks

Ken Metcalf · Post by **Ken Metcalf** » 5 Jul 2024 5:44 am

Moved the “BooWah” pedal from pedal 8 to pedal 4 for one foot operation on 4 & 5 pedals, like the A & B pedals.
Same as pedals 5 & 6, 6 & 7.
Some folks play with two feet on the pedals.
I don't know much about Eddies set-up.
I play the Newmann E9th/B6th set-up.

https://be.steelguitarforum.com/viewtop ... f3fc00da24

Andrew Frost · Post by **Andrew Frost** » 6 Jul 2024 4:47 pm

You don't have to go completely with one or the other...

I have a zero pedal that raises 6 to A# like you describe. Its a great change in itself, but the main advantage is that combined with the A pedal, it creates a C6 style pedal 7 effect except in a B6 context of course. It also means you have the the essence of an old school pedal 4.

James Parsley · Post by **James Parsley** » 9 Jul 2024 5:37 pm

Thanks guys

Mike Fried · Post by **Mike Fried** » 9 Jul 2024 6:05 pm

Andrew Frost wrote:You don't have to go completely with one or the other...

I have a zero pedal that raises 6 to A# like you describe. Its a great change in itself, but the main advantage is that combined with the A pedal, it creates a C6 style pedal 7 effect except in a B6 context of course. It also means you have the the essence of an old school pedal 4.

Slightly OT, I have that as a zero pedal on one of my 10-string guitars, along with lowering 9 a half-step for a full "F#9" with P1 and some cool "whole step down in E9" licks as well.

Andrew Frost · Post by **Andrew Frost** » 10 Jul 2024 7:50 pm

a full "F#9" with P1 and some cool "whole step down in E9" licks as well.

yes Mike it is a great change especially placed beside the A pedal. Not OT at all IMHO. Other advantages are the F#6 and F#ma7 stuff when Es are raised and lowered. I use it a lot in the "4 chord position" of any key, as a #11, and as a unison w B->Bb on string 5.

Michael Stover · Post by **Michael Stover** » 15 Jul 2024 8:01 am

You have to subscribe, but Music City Licks has a great, 20 minute video of Eddie describing his copedent.

https://musiccitylicks.vhx.tv/cowboy-eddie-long

I appreciate the benefits--especially the 8th string E-to-D on a lever--but I ended up sticking with Newman's.

Jared Ruari · Post by **Jared Ruari** » 16 Jul 2024 9:18 pm

I tried out the Cowboy Eddie Long copedent briefly, but ended up switching to a D13th copedent.

The CEL copedent has some clever ideas that work well, but I wanted the full complement of standard C6 knee lever changes, without needing to add another cluster of them. So now with the D13th my 7x5 12 string gets all the changes of a 3x4 E9 and also a 4x4 C6. It's been really helpful for studying C6 resources that assume a full Emmons setup.