S10 Universal Copedent

[Ian Rae]

I can't find the thread that prompted me to consider this, so here's a new one. This is a bare-bones B6/E9 setup which could easily be installed on an S10 4x5, of which there seem to be plenty. It only needs 3 up 2 down.



It's boiled down from my 12-string tuning. I haven't tested it and I don't intend to, but I figure it ought to work. Tell me if I'm wrong! Sacrifices include the C pedal, the traditional E9 strings 1&2 (which admittedly might mean more to some than they do to me) and the 5th string G# raise and lower for altered 7th chords in B6 (which personally I would miss). The B6 P6 is on RKR and the vertical gives the one important P8 change.

It is somewhat B6-biased, but if you want something that covers the basics on both necks, this might work for you. If you're dyed-in-the-wool Emmons, you could mirror the pedals.

Happy New Year! You have to hope...

[Tom Campbell]

WOW...looks like my setup...been playing it for years.

I eliminated the 10th string E and squeezed an F# between 4th string E and 3rd string G#.

Also did away with the C#A# pedal and replaced it with a B to C pedal on strings 4,8.

[Andrew Frost]

WOW...looks like my setup...been playing it for years.

I eliminated the 10th string E and squeezed an F# between 4th string E and 3rd string G#.

Also did away with the C#A# pedal and replaced it with a B to C pedal on strings 4,8.

Tom, I've been spending time with a very similar set up and have considered putting that B to C change on a lever. That semitone raise on Ian's 4&8 would work perfectly for the G# major/dominant sounds but it seems too indulgent to me when I can just work on my half pedal chops a bit more to get the same result! Perhaps there are advantages of having it on a fixed pedal that I'm overlooking. Raising just the lower B a semitone and leaving the higher B on string 4 untouched works nicely too for the dom7#9 sound. Ian, perhaps that'd work on your vertical, and you could drop low E a semitone for a low 5th on that chord. Just a thought. Cool looking copedant. I particularly like the high G# lowering to F#! I've not been able to do thatin the real world - the travel is so long. But I've heard it csn be done!! Happy New Year

[John Hyland]

I wonder how easy the E>D#/D works in practice compared to the traditional E>D# (ie getting the stop precise)

[Ian Rae]

It requires concentration and I know that a lot of players don't like half-stops.
To me it's a price worth paying to have 5 and 7 next to each other.

[Larry Allen]

Aloha Ian. This is my S10 Ext E9 set up. Been using this since the early 90’s.

[Ian Rae]

Interesting, Larry. Lowering E to C# on the F lever is something I approve of.
I think once you commit to that ½-stop there's no going back.
When I was planning my uni setup I started with the premise that string 8 has four pitches, F (properly E#),E, D# and D. Should the resting pitch be E or D#?
I went for E, but D# might have worked just as well.
I'm not a "one big tuning" guy but I do exploit the overlap between the two. Your P6 (my P7) is useful in E9 as much as B6

[Larry Allen]

On 8 tuned to E, My RKL lowers to Eb(1/2 stop) then all the way for D..Then switch to 9,RKR for C# 1/2 stop feel to C then open 9 to B, 1/2 A pedal to Bb. Good bass run.. pedal 7 for regular guitar boogie lick..with 9 & 10..

[HowardR]

Here is an old and interesting thread with Al Marcus's Lean & Mean 10 string universal tuning......

https://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/002924.html

[John Hyland]

Ian It is early morning so only half awake but have you forgone A of the high F#m.

[Ian Rae]

It's late night here but yes. I can live without the traditional C pedal setup. I must stress that this guitar only exists on paper. I have a GFI 3x4 in the garage but I haven't figured how to fit a 4th pedal.

[Ian Worley]

I have a really functional 10 string uni copedent on my S10 PP, 4p/4k. It retains all the important E9 stuff, a lot of very useful B6 stuff, and lots in between. I explained it once in another thread here: viewtopic.php?p=3047730#3047730

[John Hyland]

The two Ian’s; very interesting. As my PSG is my own design and build I can add up to 8 pedals. I do like the B to Bb (split) which I currently have on RKL so I might have to invent a vertical which I had been avoiding.