Bud Appraisal

Jon Jaffe · Post by **Jon Jaffe** » 3 Oct 2006 10:11 am

I am curious what the forum thinks is a reasonable value for this guitar, case and volume pedal?

Thanks in advance !

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 3 Oct 2006 10:55 am

How many KLs?

I'm not an expert, but would estimate $1100, plus or minus $200, depending on the motivation of the buyer and seller, and if it has four KLs.[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 03 October 2006 at 11:58 AM.]

Jon Jaffe · Post by **Jon Jaffe** » 3 Oct 2006 10:56 am

It's a 3 & 2 Joey

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 3 Oct 2006 10:57 am

Maybe $1000...[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 03 October 2006 at 11:57 AM.]

John Lockney · Post by **John Lockney** » 4 Oct 2006 3:03 am

That's a beautiful guitar. Thanks for the pictures.

Did the ealry ones not say "Professional" or "Pro I" on the right-front ? And, what model is this one ?

Ernie Pollock · Post by **Ernie Pollock** » 4 Oct 2006 4:01 am

does it have the old type wide pedals??

Ernie

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Chris LeDrew · Post by **Chris LeDrew** » 4 Oct 2006 5:22 am

That's an early 70's double raise, single lower, two-hole pullers with the brass swivel. Those earlier Pro 1's are tone monsters. Some say that this mechanism produced the best tone of all the Sho~Buds. I played a similar one in Scotty's room at the convention this year. It was in hard shape, but sounded like gold. The later double raise/double lower (Mid-'70's) may be worth a little more, before the the triple raise "Superpro" Pro 1's (late-'70's on) which for some reason are worth the most - maybe because of the options and their generally newer condition.

If you could get it for a $1,000, that would be a great deal. My guess is that it would go for at least $1,300-$1,500 on Ebay. I just bought a '76 Pro 1 with the double-raise/lower (3+2), paid a lot more than a grand for it, and feel I got a good deal.

Assuming it was in excellent cosmetic and mechanical condition, I'd be willing to pay $1,400 for it. With two knee levers added, I'd pay up to $1,700 for it. You can count on the price of this steel taking off into the stratosphere in the coming years, if recent Sho~Bud transactions are any indication. IMO, you just can't buy that Sho~bud tone in a modern pedal steel. You really should get it, Jon. That's a great guitar. If you need more levers, get 'em from Coop. That's what I'm doing as soon as my 3+2 arrives.

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 4 Oct 2006 5:33 am

Chris knows more about the current "Bud market" than I.

Chris LeDrew · Post by **Chris LeDrew** » 4 Oct 2006 5:56 am

Joey, you pretty much nailed it on your intitial estimate, but in the last month these guitars are really taking a swing upward in price. I just can't believe what's happening with these Pro 1's, even 3+2's. I've been watching them like a hawk on Ebay and other sites for a while now, looking really hard for the right one.

Don Poland · Post by **Don Poland** » 4 Oct 2006 6:25 am

$150...do you take PayPal???

Just jerkin your chain buddy, sure is a pretty axe, but I know less than nothing about old Bud's

Chris LeDrew · Post by **Chris LeDrew** » 4 Oct 2006 6:39 am

Whoops, Jon, I thought you were looking to buy this guitar. It's yours, and you're selling it? I'll give ya $800 and pay for shipping....ha-ha!

Jon Jaffe · Post by **Jon Jaffe** » 4 Oct 2006 6:59 am

Chris, this guitar is flawless as well as the volume pedal. The springs are a tad rusty, but I suspect it has sat in the case for 25 or 30 years.

Al Udeen · Post by **Al Udeen** » 4 Oct 2006 9:00 am

Whats with the square front? those bodys started in 75 or 76?

Brint Hannay · Post by **Brint Hannay** » 4 Oct 2006 9:34 am

If I'm seeing it right, the changer fingers have the notch to hold the string ball ends, rather than a pin. Does anyone know when Sho-Bud started using the notched fingers, and if they are notched does it necessarily mean they are pot metal? I'd have thought a guitar with the two-hole pullers with brass swivel would have aluminum fingers.

Chris LeDrew · Post by **Chris LeDrew** » 4 Oct 2006 11:06 am

The main thing that was making me think it was earlier than a '75 was the single lower. The '76 I have on the way is identical in every other way except it has a double lower.

Dave Seddon · Post by **Dave Seddon** » 4 Oct 2006 12:14 pm

Jon
I have the identical guitar to you, mine came originally with 3+1, I was told it is an S-10 Proffesional. Mine is double raise single lower with the claw string retainer rather than the pin and the string fingers are chrome plated, I believe on some kind of aluminium alloy. Whatever it is, it's the best sounding SB I've ever had, the sustain and tone are the Dog's B*&%$cks. I hope yours is as good as mine.
Cheers Dave.

Dave Seddon · Post by **Dave Seddon** » 4 Oct 2006 12:20 pm

Yes and I forot to mention WIDE PEDALS.

Jon Jaffe · Post by **Jon Jaffe** » 4 Oct 2006 2:51 pm

This is not my guitar. I was curious about what people believed it was worth. It does seem to be a Pro 1 with wide pedals. If there is interest in buying it. I will post it on the appropriate forum.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 4 Oct 2006 8:27 pm

It would need to be a round front to be from early '70's. Looks like transitional period '76ish, IMO. If the dust catcher fretboard is original to this guitar, it seems about when the Super Pros were fixin' to start up.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 4 Oct 2006 8:37 pm

The fingers, nylon tuners, lack of coil tap switch seem to want to make me think mid to later '70's. Then, again, these guitars are easy to change around to suit what you like, like switch out allen wrench tuners for nylon tuners, narrow pedals for wide, dust catcher from stock metal/painted fretboard for example. And that's cool, that's the fun of these cool old buds. They are easy to personalise.

Chris LeDrew · Post by **Chris LeDrew** » 4 Oct 2006 9:22 pm

James, were they still putting single lowers on the mid-late 70's models? Also, the wide pedals are indicative of earlier than '75. You're probably right about the part switches. That's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Chris LeDrew · Post by **Chris LeDrew** » 4 Oct 2006 9:35 pm

Looking the Sho~Bud chronology, the square front replaced the round front in 1975. So, I was a little early in my initial guess. (Still learning, James...ha-ha.) But my '76 Pro 1 has a double raise/lower........which leads me to assume this might just be a '75. BTW, my S-10 has no "Pro 1" logo either.

Maybe Ricky D. or Coop could chime in and put this thing to bed.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 4 Oct 2006 9:51 pm

Chris, That square body was introduced in 1975, as the Pro I Custom, when Shobud quit the round fronts. The changers may not have caught up yet, being a transition period, or this could be custom ordered changer. Shobud tended to use up any spare parts that were left over from one era to the next. Wide pedals were still used, to my limited knowledge. The narrow pedals seemed to hit the scene about '77 with the Super Pro's? There are those who know about this much better than I do.

Alvin Blaine · Post by **Alvin Blaine** » 4 Oct 2006 10:09 pm

I've been watching the prices on S-10 Sho-Bud's for the past four months, and they have jumped quite a bit in that time.

I bought one off the forum here just two months ago for $1150 , but the ones(that are selling) on eBay are going from $1500 to over $2000.

So if you have detailed pictures of it like above then I would say put it on eBay if you want to get more money out of it.

$1580 Pro-I
$2050 S-10 Blonde Bud
$1449 Sho Bud

Per Berner · Post by **Per Berner** » 5 Oct 2006 2:36 am

The ProIII (converted to LDG-style) i sold last year was a ´76, with double raise/single lower, teardrop headstock, dustcatcher fretboard, wide pedals and square body, but with straight knee levers (see picture below). So 1975 would be a good guess for the one in this thread, I suppose.

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´75 Emmons p/p D10 8+4, ca '72 AWH Custom D10 8+3, Hybrid Zum coming soon, Peavey Nashville 1000