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Copedent Question

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This is the copedent my Mullen Discovery came with. I'm new to PSG, so anyone have any thoughts on this? Is it better to learn on a certain copedent like the "standard emmons"?

Curious to hear yalls thoughts/opinions.

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Post by Dale Rottacker »

After having had the whole lower of G# on LKR, I found it in the way ALL the time... You may want to think instead of raising the F# up a whole... Other than that you look okay... I've gone both ways with Raising and Lowering the E's on LKL & LKR, and am actually going back to that after having had them split between the knees, the way you have here. But that's really just a preference thing as I liked them in both configurations.
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This is as close to at least one version of 'standard' as you can get. I wouldn't touch it. Anything you don't use, don't use. The day will come when you discover what it is for. There is nothing odd there. Now is the time to play the thing and not worry about the setup.
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Perfect set up, split knee's is nice on the Eeez.
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Jon Light wrote:This is as close to at least one version of 'standard' as you can get. I wouldn't touch it. Anything you don't use, don't use. The day will come when you discover what it is for. There is nothing odd there. Now is the time to play the thing and not worry about the setup.
Agreed!

I've been playing that exact set-up for a long time.
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Post by Matt Kotsianas »

Thanks fellas. I appreciate the feedback!
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+1 to Jon, Lee and Larry's comments. Leave it alone and play it. Best of luck with your steel guitar journey. You have an excellent instrument to work with. Would that I had something this nice when I started 40+ yrs. ago.
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Post by Dennis Montgomery »

+1 with everyone so far. I don't think you could get a more "standard Emmons" setup if you tried! And I love that my friends at Mullen are delivering split E's from the factory ;-)

Also...speaking as someone who wasted a lot of hours messing with copedents the first few months after getting my Mullen rather than just playing, give yourself at least a year with this configuration before even considering changing anything. Until you've logged in many hours practicing/learning/arranging/playing you won't know what to change or why. Once you get to that point, you can properly evaluate the changes you have and how crucial each is to your voice :)

With this copedent, you may never change anything!

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A lot of professional players use this exact copedent. I wouldn't change a thing.
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Post by Matt Kotsianas »

Thanks for all the info gents. I appreciate it! Looks like I'll keep it the way it is and get down to learning. Thanks again!
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Yep, that is my exact core E9 setup. Exactomundo. You can play that for a lifetime.
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Post by Joel Jackson »

This is a great set up, but even better if you switch LKR and RKR, in my opinion. It's nice to be able to get the E lower and 2 string lower together, but not necessary.
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Post by Roger Rettig »

I, too, would raise the 7th a tone instead of lowering the 6th but, even as it is, it's as close to the modern E9 'standard' as it gets.

The foregoing remarks are, of course, made with the understanding that I think it should all be reversed and turned into the 'Day' set-up. :)

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