Raise on 7th string

Steven Hicken Jr. · Post by **Steven Hicken Jr.** » 28 Nov 2020 7:29 am

I raise the 7th string from F# to G# on E9.

Greg Cutshaw · Post by **Greg Cutshaw** » 28 Nov 2020 8:07 am

Some sound samples, copedant and tab here:

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/E9%201st ... 20Tab.html

I've got this change on my MSA Legend D-10 and Excel S-12 guitars.

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 28 Nov 2020 8:14 am

Jack Hanson wrote:I pull the string (either the 1st or 7th) behind the bar with my ring finger.

I've seen Jeff Newman do that.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 28 Nov 2020 12:22 pm

b0b wrote:
Jack Hanson wrote:I pull the string (either the 1st or 7th) behind the bar with my ring finger.
I've seen Jeff Newman do that.

I can and still do that on string 1, but could never master it on string 7. But then, I've had a knee lever to get those changes almost from the start.

Dean Holman · Post by **Dean Holman** » 2 Dec 2020 3:15 pm

You would be surprised what all you can do raising the 7th a whole. For one, some guys like to split the Franklin change. You can do that by lowering 5th a whole on 4th pedal or a vertical lever, and have your 7th already raised, then release to get the same lower as lowering the 6th a whole. Play 4,5&6 with A&B down and raise the 7th to get this suspended chord. It also works with playing 5,6&8 pedals down and then raise 7 a whole with it. That’s just a couple of things I use it for, there’s more licks. Of course, the best of both worlds, would be to put a half stop to raise it a half and a whole.

Richard Alderson · Post by **Richard Alderson** » 2 Dec 2020 10:04 pm

I raise string 2 to E plus 1 & 7 F# to G# with Left Knee Vertical on all my guitars. My Bb is on a pedal.

Dean Holman · Post by **Dean Holman** » 3 Dec 2020 1:20 pm

Richard Alderson wrote:I raise string 2 to E plus 1 & 7 F# to G# with Left Knee Vertical on all my guitars. My Bb is on a pedal.

Richard, does that Bb seem to work ok putting it on a pedal?

Dale Rottacker · Post by **Dale Rottacker** » 3 Dec 2020 1:35 pm

Dean Holman wrote:
Richard Alderson wrote:I raise string 2 to E plus 1 & 7 F# to G# with Left Knee Vertical on all my guitars. My Bb is on a pedal.
Richard, does that Bb seem to work ok putting it on a pedal?

Hi Dean, I don't assume to answer for Richard, but I made that change about 3 years ago... I never cared for it on the vertical which for me was always awkward, so I didn't access it as much as I could've or should've... I put it in the 0 position and that seems like a really natural move for me... Now using it with the A pedal isn't that "Knee high, Toe Low" thing it was before.

Dean Holman · Post by **Dean Holman** » 3 Dec 2020 2:45 pm

Dale Rottacker wrote:
Dean Holman wrote:
Richard Alderson wrote:I raise string 2 to E plus 1 & 7 F# to G# with Left Knee Vertical on all my guitars. My Bb is on a pedal.
Richard, does that Bb seem to work ok putting it on a pedal?
Hi Dean, I don't assume to answer for Richard, but I made that change about 3 years ago... I never cared for it on the vertical which for me was always awkward, so I didn't access it as much as I could've or should've... I put it in the 0 position and that seems like a really natural move for me... Now using it with the A pedal isn't that "Knee high, Toe Low" thing it was before.

Dale, For a long time I never used the Bb change, but I know most guys use it on the vertical. The reason Iâ€™m curious, is Iâ€™m wanting to do both, lower B to Bb, and lower B to A like the Franklin change. Right now, Iâ€™m doing the Franklin change on the vertical lever and so far, I seem to like it there, but just curious if the Franklin change would work better on the 4th pedal, and lowering 5 &10 on the vertical,, or vice versa. But Iâ€™ve been doing some experimenting and re-discovering, what all can be done on the E9th that I just havenâ€™t discovered yet.

Richard Alderson · Post by **Richard Alderson** » 3 Dec 2020 3:07 pm

Regarding Bflat pedal instead of LKV..In my case I inherited a guitar setup from Dan Gaylsch and he had the Bflat change on an outside pedal. It was my first 10 string guitar. So that's all I ever knew. I have to use two feet for any combinations with AB pedals,but pulling my foot off the volume pedal for a few bars does not seem such a great limitation. It is the fifth pedal (A B C D E); which also is closest to the volume pedal and easy to hit with the right foot. Its solid when you stomp down on it, the note stays right where it should.

Its a single neck guitar, not a D10. Regarding OP question, I like the F# raise on the vertical. It seems natural that when you move your leg UP the string pitch also goes UP. Otherwise it has the same advantages or disadvantages as all LK verticals do.