F# to G# change

Sonny Jenkins · Post by **Sonny Jenkins** » 21 May 2006 3:14 pm

I guess since everyone else seems to have this change I'll put it on mine. Can ya'll give me some discussion on how you're using it???

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 21 May 2006 4:39 pm

Lousy reason to put a change on your guitar if you ask me (and you didn't)

If you are set on doing it, you'll get more mileage out of raising 1 and 7 to G# and 2 to E. It's a Paul Franklin change that's all over records, if that's important. It pulls 1 and 2 up to unison with 4 and 3. There are a bunch of ways to use the unison / pivoting notes. Pedals down it's also a nice Ma7 chord (AMa7 open). I especially like the sound on the 7th string. Paul uses that instead of the G# to F# (by letting off the raised note) when he wants to get that movement without lowering his 5th string, since he has both on the same pedal, P4.

So there's 3 reasons why some of us have that change. I hope you'll find ways to use it we have never thought about and will tell us about them.

It's about the 6th in line for E9 knee levers for me but it is very useful if you understand how it works.

Here's one example from my most recent CD
click here
about half way through the solo. Hope this helps.

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Gary Shepherd · Post by **Gary Shepherd** » 21 May 2006 5:09 pm

I don't currently have the G# to F# on my guitar but I plan to add it. Probably on a pedal.

I do have both F# to G# pulls. I don't have the 2nd string pull to E but I plan to add that one too.

As far as ways to use the G# to F#, you can go from no pedal (I) position to the V position with that lever and the E to D# lever. I also like the sound of going from B pedal to F# lever and back up. You could also do this with the Franklin change.

There are plenty of other uses but those are two that come to mind right now, in the middle of my scrabble game.

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Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 21 May 2006 6:42 pm

I raise my 7th string F# to G# on my first pedal. I use it mostly for the country lick effect. Sometimes I release my E lever as I press it.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 21 May 2006 9:20 pm

I have it, but it is quite unconventional.

2nd is D pulled to E on RKR
with the F# to G# on 7
and 9 C# to D below

I have the 1 F# to G# on pedal C so I can split
with RKR

I also have the Franklin pedal on on P1.

I like the lower F# to G# with the C# to D,
it adds a very curious jazzy transition change set for me.
Because I have 9 at C# it is much different than the normal usage.

As Larry said, just because many have it,
is no reason to add it.
But, it is a valid reason to try it out.

Franklin · Post by **Franklin** » 22 May 2006 3:47 am

Gary,

If the commercial descending licks is what your after, you can place the change anywhere. You get half of what the change provides harmonically on a pedal. The change is best put on a lever so it can be used in combination with the A, B, & C pedals. I use it more in combination with A & B than I do the descending licks.

Paul

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 22 May 2006 6:05 am

Mighty pretty, Larry.

Paul plays a variant of it at 2:29 into http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwxzDli0Ds&search=Dire%20Straits (On Every Street).

I think every guitar ought to have this change. I like it as a G#->F# lower.

Charles Curtis · Post by **Charles Curtis** » 22 May 2006 6:23 am

What Larry said; I have it on my RKL. Love it.

Duane Reese · Post by **Duane Reese** » 22 May 2006 12:08 pm

I like having the 1st string only raise to G instead of G# because there's some old country licks done with that, and if I need the G# for the lick in question I just slant the bar.

I did have the F# to G# with the D# to E at one time, but I gave it up. You know what'd be nice would be to have another lever with a change that'd raise both F#'s to G# in addition to having a lever to raise the 1st string to G and lower the 6th string to G (which is what I have now). I'd like that better that a double feel-stop for the 1st and 7th strings because I like the 6th to lower to G rather than the 7th to raise - it's just something I like.

On that lever I had with the F# to G# by the way, also lowered the 6th string down to F# for a time - didn't take long to decide that wasn't for me.[This message was edited by Duane Reese on 22 May 2006 at 01:49 PM.]

Terry Sneed · Post by **Terry Sneed** » 22 May 2006 1:09 pm

I have the F# to G# on string 1 and the D# to E on string 2, and love the changes. I especially like the F# to G# for using licks like Larry just played on his solo.
very purty!I just wish I had the F# to G on the 7th string.

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Gary Shepherd · Post by **Gary Shepherd** » 22 May 2006 1:41 pm

I just changed my F# to G# change to the reverse - G# to F#. Already found some cool 7th , aug, and minor chords on it. I may not even put the F# to G# back on. But there are a few changed I want to add.

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Gary Shepherd · Post by **Gary Shepherd** » 22 May 2006 2:07 pm

I should add that I still prefer the Sierra bellcranks and rods over the Carter type. Still, it wasn't that much harder to change.

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John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 26 May 2006 8:36 pm

On one KL I Raise #1 F# to G#, Raise #2 D# to E and Lower #6 G# to F#. Then on another KL I Raise #1 F# to G, and Raise #7 F# to G, and Lower #2 D# to D. If you combine this change with the KL Lowering #2 & #9 + (A)-(B)-Pedals, You have a Strumable A7! Along with several other possibilities along the way, which I'm still learning about!

Oh! Edited to say: I've learned something already! I have eliminated str. #2 Lowering D# to D, because; I already have a half-stop when Lowering it to D/C# on another KL! Hasn't really changed much, just made it more practical! BTW: I also Raise my 8th str. (E) to (F/F#) on the LKL that also Raises str.#4 from (E) to (F)!
My style never includes the need for an (F) on #4 & #8 at the same time! So, it works well, for me!
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