Which push pull would you choose

Johnie King · Post by **Johnie King** » 14 Apr 2019 4:17 pm

Whatâ€™s the most preferred Push Pull an why.
Bolt on wrap around cut tail or later models. Red Belly
black belly or brown belly?

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 15 Apr 2019 7:15 am

A wrap around is the most coveted Emmons and a metal neck bolt on comes in a close second.

Erv

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 15 Apr 2019 9:03 am

What kind is this?

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 15 Apr 2019 9:12 am

That's a cut tail.
Erv

Jack Hanson · Post by **Jack Hanson** » 15 Apr 2019 10:34 am

Personally, I'm perfectly happy with the three I already have: A '73 rosewood 'mica D-10 fatback cut-tail, and a coupla hot-rodded '70s GS-10s (one is a sunburst lacquer, and the other one is the notoriously butt-ugly bowlin' ball 'mica).

I've been playing that same D-10 since '77, and it's more guitar than I'll ever need.

Mike DiAlesandro · Post by **Mike DiAlesandro** » 15 Apr 2019 4:46 pm

I chose this one

Andy DePaule · Post by **Andy DePaule** » 15 Apr 2019 5:09 pm

The only Push Pull PSG I've ever had and still have is this Promat D-10, 8&4.
I think this is called a Cut Tail?
Was in rough & unplayable condition when I received it, but it was gone over last year by Lynn Stafford in Portland and is now like new.

Plays very well and has great tone and incredible sustain.
My only issue is the second string half stop is not very solid feeling.
Not a big deal because I don't play out with it and keep it in the US for one to play when I'm there.

I can't compare it to an Emmons since I have no real experience playing them.
Other Emmons players who have played this seem to think it's as good or better.
Lynn mentioned that it has stainless steel fingers so a little different tone than an Emmons would have.

I'd like to put a flag on the RKR because it's just a tad too far forward for my sitting position. Would also like to change the function of that lever... Maybe later?

ps. To the original questions, I prefer my girlfriends belly. Soft and kind of tan color!

This photo was from the Promat web site which no longer exists.

Dustin Cook · Post by **Dustin Cook** » 15 Apr 2019 5:56 pm

I have a 67 cut tail a few numbers from “the Blade” and a 66 bolt on. Each has it’s own tone, the cut tail is sweet, the bolt on is bold, deep and punchy. Its tough to beat a good PP.

Larry Moore · Post by **Larry Moore** » 16 Apr 2019 2:01 am

Here is my PP D-10 8-5 Sn # 1153-D 1967

I also have the smaller S-10 3-4 Sn # 1109-S 1967

Both stay in tune good & the E-9th necks are set the same.
Larry

Steven Paris · Post by **Steven Paris** » 16 Apr 2019 2:15 am

Jack Hanson wrote:Personally, I'm perfectly happy with the three I already have: A '73 rosewood 'mica D-10 fatback cut-tail, and a coupla hot-rodded '70s GS-10s (one is a sunburst lacquer, and the other one is the notoriously butt-ugly bowlin' ball 'mica). I've been playing that same D-10 since '77, and it's more guitar than I'll ever need.

Watch what you're callin' UGLY, PAL!!

Just because you have the prettiest (sunburst) GS-10 on the planet don't mean you gotta dis the others! I happen to think that brown mica GS-10s are quite nice, thank you!!

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 16 Apr 2019 6:57 am

Black sounds better.

Erv

Jack Hanson · Post by **Jack Hanson** » 16 Apr 2019 8:22 am

Steven Paris wrote:I happen to think that brown mica GS-10s are quite nice, thank you!!

I stand behind my opinion that the common "bowlin' ball" 'mica is butt-ugly. Big Ron musta found a deal on a pallet-load of that stuff back in the day, because there's certainly no shortage of bowlin' ball Gee Esses. I've never seen a pro-model cladded with that 'mica -- likely for good reason.

I will concede however, that, even with its mildly microphonic pickup, my 3 x 1 "bowlin' ball" #278 GS is arguable the best sounding of the three old Emmons push/pulls I have. So, I will agree it's "quite nice." It's just ugly.

Jack Hanson · Post by **Jack Hanson** » 16 Apr 2019 8:32 am

Erv Niehaus wrote:Black sounds better.Erv

My old "bowlin' ball" 'mica GS-10 has a black BR-10 neck on it. It sounds pretty good. Does that count?

Photo courtesy of Clem Schmitz

Dustin Cook · Post by **Dustin Cook** » 16 Apr 2019 8:49 am

8x7 has some of the sweetest overtones I've heard from a PP

Lynn Stafford · Post by **Lynn Stafford** » 16 Apr 2019 9:07 am

Dustin Cook wrote:8x7 has some of the sweetest overtones I've heard from a PP

Hi Dustin,

As you probably remember, I was reluctant to let it go but I'm glad to hear you're still enjoying this guitar.

Dustin Cook · Post by **Dustin Cook** » 16 Apr 2019 9:30 am

Yes my friend, after years of owning countless modern steels (I'm not looking to start an off topic argument), I fell in love with two old PP's, and you were very gracious in setting me up with the 67 and the 66. I still own both, and they will never be sold while I have blood in my veins. I must also mention, that I am not religious about changing strings, as a matter of fact I'm awful. However, I have yet to break one string prematurely on either of them. I play out about 4 hrs per week. I actually did a test, to see how long I could go, and after 1 year of no string breakage, I had to change them, strings were just dead.

Mark Robinson · Post by **Mark Robinson** » 16 Apr 2019 11:23 pm

Larry, that ‘67 S10 looks very nice.

Mark Robinson · Post by **Mark Robinson** » 16 Apr 2019 11:27 pm

Although I've never played a wraparound, I love the sound and action of this guitar.

Steven Paris · Post by **Steven Paris** » 17 Apr 2019 1:13 am

Erv Niehaus wrote:A wrap around is the most coveted Emmons and a metal neck bolt on comes in a close second.
Erv

Why do you suppose that is, exactly? Do they SOUND better? What makes the difference?

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 17 Apr 2019 7:49 am

I think scarcity drives the interest and price up.
We always want what we can't have.

Erv

scott murray · Post by **scott murray** » 18 Apr 2019 1:31 pm

Buddy Emmons seemed to think the wraparound design had the best tone of them all. do we know how many were made?

Larry Moore · Post by **Larry Moore** » 18 Apr 2019 1:47 pm

Thanks Mark....My dear friend Mr. Charlie Ward did the work on this steel not long before he passed away.

He wanted me to use this one to advertise for him. Charlie did a very good job on it, the under side looks show room new filled all screw hole and refrocked new black all pulls are straight he was a very good at doing PP's.

Mark Robinson · Post by **Mark Robinson** » 18 Apr 2019 4:36 pm

Larry Moore wrote:Thanks Mark....My dear friend Mr. Charlie Ward did the work on this steel not long before he passed away.

He wanted me to use this one to advertise for him. Charlie did a very good job on it, the under side looks show room new filled all screw hole and refrocked new black all pulls are straight he was a very good at doing PP's.

Larry, you’re welcome.

Charlie put a LKV on my LeGrand ll for me. I’ll never forget him as he was an eccentric individual. I visited him several times in Arden. He was a master steel guitar mechanic.

If you ever think you want to get rid of that D10 bolt on, please let me know. No other sounds compare!

Mark

Mark Robinson · Post by **Mark Robinson** » 18 Apr 2019 4:39 pm

scott murray wrote:Buddy Emmons seemed to think the wraparound design had the best tone of them all. do we know how many were made?

Agreed, Scott. Wraparounds sound great!

Jim Hussey · Post by **Jim Hussey** » 18 Apr 2019 6:18 pm

I've been blessed to have a wrap, a metal bolt on, and a cut tail. I've gigged all 3. They all are fantastic guitars on all fronts. But hands down the wrap is the go to guitar. That said, from the standpoint of playability, there seems to be a difference between early wraps and later wraps. In the end, I agree with Erv: the wrap first, the metal bolt on second, and then the cut tail.

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