How Many People Use Sneaky Pete's Copedent?

tom anderson · Post by **tom anderson** » 4 Dec 2018 11:15 am

Yes, I also got a 400 and set it up B-6 and played it for a while before I was used to the tuning. Then I got a 1000 and set the top neck to E-9 and the bottom neck to B-6. Really helps me to switch from neck to neck either in the song or from song to song. Fenders are good guitars.

tom anderson · Post by **tom anderson** » 4 Dec 2018 11:22 am

Yes, I also got a 400 and set it up B-6 and played it for a while before I was used to the tuning. Then I got a 1000 and set the top neck to E-9 and the bottom neck to B-6. Really helps me to switch from neck to neck either in the song or from song to song. Fenders are good guitars. The other thing I’ve learned in trying to get Sneaky’s sound is that I experiment with delay, echo, unison strings, phase shifter and distortion. He wants brilliant at using these.

Mark Perrodin · Post by **Mark Perrodin** » 4 Dec 2018 11:57 am

tom, that is a beautiful 1000 that you have. how are your pedals
split between the two necks? here's a shot of one of my 400's.
mark

Dennis Montgomery · Post by **Dennis Montgomery** » 4 Dec 2018 12:53 pm

When I first got my 400 I looked hard at Sneaky Pete's tuning but never tried it. I added a couple knee levers and made up my own

ebb · Post by **ebb** » 4 Dec 2018 4:41 pm

guys this tuning is just a 6th and 9th tuning in the same key.
something that buddy emmons said he would favor over the e9/b6 solution of jeff newman or whoever came up with it first.
notes are notes and intervals are intervals and timbre is specific.
then with pedal steel there are the opportunities to "morph" or make harmonic changes by sliding and bending without jumping strings.
imho this is the least important aspect after listening to tom morrell

https://steelguitarforum.com/Archives/A ... 08515.html

Tucker Jackson · Post by **Tucker Jackson** » 4 Dec 2018 11:54 pm

I'm confused. How is the Sneaky B6 setup a 9th tuning? There's no C# in it.

In that article, Emmons said he would setup an E13 (with some of the pedals working the E6 part of the tuning) on a 12 string rather than E9/B6. How close is E13 to B6?

ebb · Post by **ebb** » 5 Dec 2018 6:38 am

the 13th is the higher g#
the 9th is on pedal 7
A and B are pedals 1 and 2
C is 1,2 and 7
pedals 5 and 6 lower the 5th and 3rds respectively like on a c6 neck

Mark Perrodin · Post by **Mark Perrodin** » 5 Dec 2018 7:00 am

Ebb,
thanks for your response. I appreciate all the instruction that you have provided
on the old Fender forum. I regularly visit there and study your posts. In fact, just
this week I found a change you described that should have been obvious. You
noted that if you had A&B depressed (S5,4,2) and wanted to change the chord
to a minor you could depress P5 and get it. I was getting it by going
up a fret and depressing P8. Sometimes I throw in P7 before P8 for a little tension
and then drop back down a fret without A&B depressed.
I also expanded my tuning by a close reading of some of your other posts.
You have really helped me understand my guitar better. Thanks

ebb · Post by **ebb** » 5 Dec 2018 7:08 am

using that natural split with 1 and 5 which is in tune because of the string gauge you can get the A/F pedal equivalent one fret higher with 1,5 and 6

tom anderson · Post by **tom anderson** » 5 Dec 2018 8:44 am

Mark,
Right now I’ve got the first 5 pedals doing the E-9 neck and the secon 5 doing the B-6. There are 3 or 4 pulls on each pedal so my first setup had changes on each neck with each pedal but the action was pretty stiff. So I am sacrificing some of the changes. I may rethink that and add more pulls as I get more versatile on the B-6. Could someone post a link to the fender site with Ed’s instruction.

Mark Perrodin · Post by **Mark Perrodin** » 5 Dec 2018 9:00 am

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/fenders ... 8efcebbc78

A lot of good info there. The site is static so you
won't be able to ask questions.

Mark Perrodin · Post by **Mark Perrodin** » 5 Dec 2018 9:09 am

Thanks for that pedal combo Ebb. So if I pedal that at fret
4 on s5,4&2 I get the B chord which is equivalent to A&B
at fret 7 on s6,5&4 or no pedals at fret 12 on s8,6&5. Good
to know a way to get another chord. Need to commit
these pedal combos to memory.

Dave Zirbel · Post by **Dave Zirbel** » 5 Dec 2018 9:54 am

A lot of good info there. The site is static so you
won't be able to ask questions.

I miss that forum!

Tucker Jackson · Post by **Tucker Jackson** » 5 Dec 2018 10:47 am

ebb wrote:the 13th is the higher g#
the 9th is on pedal 7

Right. It has a 13th tone. But technically speaking, to call it a 13th tuning, we would also need the b7 tone as one of the open strings. As well as a 9th.

Speaking as a fan, Sneaky's B6 is a very solid, imminently usable 6th tuning, IMHO, but it's not a true 13th or 9th, and not the jazz-ready E13 Emmons endorsed, so that's why I was confused by claims to the contrary and asked for clarification.

And naturally, one can hit a pedal and get the 9th tone on Pete's copedents, but tunings on PSG are normally named by their open strings. Otherwise, if we take every possible pedaled-in note and use that to re-label the tuning, then every copedent can be called everything. Every PSG is a 6th, every is a 7, every is a 9th.

But I'm being nitpicky about what we call things and how we talk about them. I think the larger point you were trying to make is that you can easily get most of the notes you'll want from Pete's setup. Yes, I agree. It's a fine tuning, even if we can only call it B6.

Jim Hollingsworth · Post by **Jim Hollingsworth** » 5 Dec 2018 3:35 pm

A few years back I had Gary Rittenberry build me a single 10 with Paul Franklin's pedabro tuning - which is a C6 with A & B pedals. I went a bit further & reconfigured the knee levers to more closely mimic the "E levers" of the E9 tuning.

It worked really well & had sustain & BEEF! The only thing it lacked was the snap that the lighter E9 strings produce. I sold that guitar to get an E9 guitar for travel purposes. I MISS IT! In fact, I hope to get another one soon.

Just imagine your E9 licks in molasses ... thicker and fuller. And all the jazz/blues/swing you can imagine too.

Jim H

ebb · Post by **ebb** » 5 Dec 2018 3:39 pm

yes i guess the point i was making is that you can play styles heard in 6 and 9 tunings with what is available here. in the final analysis i don't care how you play stuff that moves me eg tuning/equipment/technique etc. i don't believe at any point i called it a 13th tuning. i think you picked that up from buddy

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 5 Dec 2018 3:59 pm

My Fender 400 is set up in a "D" based tuning. I like having the no-pedal "E" at fret 2, for the voicing and pull-offs, and the no-pedal "G" at fret 5 for moving harmonies. (A "B" or "Bb" tuning just puts "E", "G", and "A" too far up the neck.)

I would never try to get someone to use what I use, but I've tried it with and without the chromatics many times. And for me, and the stuff I play (country and classic rock), having those chromatics on top is the only way to go. The guitar player's got 6 strings, and I've got 6 (+2) strings, but I don't try to compete, chord-wise, with the lead guitar.

Mark Perrodin · Post by **Mark Perrodin** » 6 Dec 2018 10:13 am

Here is what I have been doing with P9 for the last eight months or so. I didn't use the lower strings too much until I did this. It allows a two octave major scale without moving the bar. P9 & P4 on the the bottom four strings gives you a minor. P9 & P3 gives you a suspension on the bottom four. I think that it's basically like A & B on one pedal with the root on string eight. It has a great baritone like sound. I'm gonna keep it.

Mark Perrodin · Post by **Mark Perrodin** » 8 Dec 2018 9:36 am

Does anyone have a link to a sweetened
Sneaky Pete B6 tuning. Used to be on the
Peterson website. Thanks

John Norris · Post by **John Norris** » 8 Dec 2018 1:19 pm

Mark Perrodin wrote:Does anyone have a link to a sweetened
Sneaky Pete B6 tuning. Used to be on the
Peterson website. Thanks

Hi Mark,

If you have a Peterson StroboPLUS or a Stomp Classic tuner, you can load Sneaky Pete's offsets directly onto the tuner via USB.

The Sweetener is called SPK and is in the Steel Guitar section of the Peterson Tuners User Trading Post:

Sneaky Pete's Tuning Offsets on the Peterson Tuner Site

Mark Perrodin · Post by **Mark Perrodin** » 8 Dec 2018 1:55 pm

Thanks,
that's a big help.

Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 12 Dec 2018 7:43 pm

I miss that forum!

Thanks Dave - it just got to be too much of a hassle - and there were VERY few posts once the Facebook page got going. They also ported everything over to new software, and it would have taken me several months to either convert everything unless I moved to their paid system.

Being on a fixed income I just couldn't justify the expense of paid site, and with only a handful of posts a month after the Facebook page got moving I decided to shut down any new posts and redirect everyone.. But I did leave all the existing posts up. Last I checked all the stuff was still there.

Dave Zirbel · Post by **Dave Zirbel** » 12 Dec 2018 8:00 pm

Thanks for your efforts Jim!....and sharing your knowledge!

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