Emmons C6 knees

[John Poston]

b0b wrote in another thread:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR><SMALL>I don't know about which direction does what, but these 4 simple half step changes open up the whole world of jazz chords:
1. raise 3rd string C to C#
2. lower 3rd string C to B
3. raise 4th string A to Bb
4. lower 4th string A to Ab</SMALL><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How would you rate these in order of usefulness? My personal order starting with most useful would be -
1. raise 4th string A to Bb
2. lower 3rd string C to B
3. raise 3rd string C to C#
4. lower 4th string A to Ab

Just curious to see everyone else's opinions.

[Bobby Lee]

Here's how I'd rank them based on my own usage. Keep in mind that I mainly use the C6th for blues, folk and western swing - not for jazz!

1. C to C#
2. C to B
3. A to Bb
4. A to Ab

I also have a middle E to F lever that I probably use as much as the C to C#. Not very jazzy, I know...

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[Bobby Boggs]

lower 3rd string C to B

raise 4th string A to Bb
The others are great but not necessary in my opinion. Buddy Emmons did the best jazz playing I've ever heard before he added the other changes. And yes I have the other changes + a few more................bb

[Rick Schmidt]

b0b....I think the E to F change is extremely jazzy! You NEED major triads, MAJ 9's and sus4's (on their own or superimposed over different bass notes) to play the more modern types of jazz voicings that straight old C6 just doesnt have. I've based a couple of my own ideas on other pedals just to work in conjunction with the E-F KL.

As far as usefulness goes though, I have to still go with the old C to B 3rd string lower.<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Rick Schmidt on 13 June 2005 at 02:58 PM.]</p></FONT>

[Larry Bell]

I'm with Boggs, but I do like C to C# if D is on top. All four ups and downs on 3 and 4 are useful, but C to B and A to Bb are ones I couldn't do without (if I played C6, that is)

Also, Mike Cass taught me that Rt = raise and Left = lower; and 3rd string is the right knee and 4th is the left. That'll help you remember where they are -- at least on Buddy's guitar.

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<small>Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps

[b0b]

<SMALL>b0b....I think the E to F change is extremely jazzy!</SMALL>

Not the way I use it, Rick. Not the way I use it.

[Ernie Renn]

Larry;

For the left knee levers:

On C6: R=Raise L=Lower (A to Ab and A to Bb)
On E9: R=Lower L=Raise (E to Eb and E to F)



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My best,
Ernie

www.buddyemmons.com

[Larry Bell]

I knew that, but I'd never thought about the E9 and C6 changes having 'reverse logic' -- THAT'S NOT LIKE BUDDY (or IS IT?)

Thanks Ernie

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<small>Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps