Putting an old Emmons where it belongs !

William Polka · Post by **William Polka** » 4 Apr 2016 8:20 pm

Tom Quinn wrote:Okay Mr. Polka! ;- )

Thought I heard someone call me...

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 4 Apr 2016 8:23 pm

No, it started because of Calvin's inexperienced and closed minded attitude spouting off about E9 being only in a honky tonk and nowhere else, and btw who the hell cares if HE doesn't like C6. And I don't know why I waste my time with this kind of infantile pissing match stupidity.

Some of you guys ought to get off your opinionated asses and get out there and try to make a living as a steel player... if you're good enough..., instead of sitting in front of your laptops in your music rooms telling working musicians like Bob Hoffnar what THEY should be doing.

Good night, and good luck.

Skip Edwards · Post by **Skip Edwards** » 4 Apr 2016 9:19 pm

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 5 Apr 2016 5:41 am

Calvin Walley wrote:you can play it but i wouldn't like it

The shoe drops.

I can't quite come up with the names that don't play honky tonks but wouldn't be offended by this statement
but I'm incredulous.

I can only imagine by previous posts that playing honky tonk music would be easier for beginners.
Also incredulous.

Calvin Walley · Post by **Calvin Walley** » 5 Apr 2016 9:37 am

hey , if someone want's to look like a fool by putting a steel guitar in a rock band go for it
but don't be surprised at the folks laughing at you

Mike Wilkerson · Post by **Mike Wilkerson** » 5 Apr 2016 9:52 am

Well Brother Herb looks as if Buddy Emmons shredding SS cool another player I wont mention playing Scrapple from the Apple and Jimmy Day ripping apart Smoke Smoke That Cigarette on C6th they were playing the wrong neck all these years

guess I'll have to butcher my Pro III and make it E9 only since that is the only acceptable neck

Mike Wilkerson · Post by **Mike Wilkerson** » 5 Apr 2016 9:55 am

And Toy Caldwell did put a steel in a rock band as did Rusty Young with Poco Jerry Garcia Buddy Cage with New riders of the purple sage Paul toured with Dire Straits so the point is very very irrelevant IMHO...

Howard Parker · Post by **Howard Parker** » 5 Apr 2016 10:08 am

Calvin Walley wrote:hey , if someone want's to look like a fool by putting a steel guitar in a rock band go for it
but don't be surprised at the folks laughing at you

Calvin,

You should stop typing right now!

Steel players in rock bands. What a concept Bwahahaha.

Let's see. Me, Olli, JD, Buddy, Paul, DVA, Jon L...etc., etc, etc....

hp

-edit- I admit that when read the above quote I laughed so hard I blew coffee through my nose! Ouch!! It was worth it though.

Back to lurk mode..

W. Van Horn · Post by **W. Van Horn** » 5 Apr 2016 10:24 am

Chas smith is THE coolest.
Herb Steiner has said everything that needs to be said.

Calvin Walley · Post by **Calvin Walley** » 5 Apr 2016 10:28 am

will

like you said ...i'm entitled to MY opinion ...never asked any one to agree with it ...simply stated it

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 5 Apr 2016 10:46 am

Calvin Walley wrote:hey , if someone want's to look like a fool .... don't be surprised at the folks laughing at you

words of wisdom.

Mike Wilkerson · Post by **Mike Wilkerson** » 5 Apr 2016 11:34 am

The one player Calvin said looked out of place as tuba in church once told me in my very young steel guitar journey that the only limitations in playing steel guitar is the person who plays said instrument... I would love to see the steel guitar rule book to see the rule about steel guitar belonging in honky Tonk music only.... I feel sorry you are so narrow minded about music.

W. Van Horn · Post by **W. Van Horn** » 5 Apr 2016 11:46 am

Bob Hoffnar makes REALLY good espresso.

Mike Wilkerson · Post by **Mike Wilkerson** » 5 Apr 2016 11:50 am

Calvin Walley wrote:if your over 40 think about the sound that made you want to play the steel
i doubt that it was some hot lick being played in a rock band or such .

i am willing to bet it was a crying steel playing some old honky tonk song

What lured me into steel was not a crying steel It was Buddy Emmons playing Pennsylvania 6-5000 Julian Tharpes album Jet Age Maurice Anderson and his touch and tone on a uni-12 playing jazz David Wright early in his career playing blues and Mike Perlowin playing classical music.....

Calvin Walley · Post by **Calvin Walley** » 5 Apr 2016 12:58 pm

all of you can say whatever you like but the fact is i am old school country ( classic country ) like it or not i am entitled to my opinion

we all know Herb is a great player and knows everything there is or ever will be to know about pedal steel ,
( just ask him if you don't believe me )
but that being said ONLY I know what I like
and what I think is right ..and fellas ...it aint going to change !!!

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 5 Apr 2016 1:44 pm

Now I know what Herb was talking about. Of course, I think, since it's only his opinion, and that's only my opinion....

Cool photo, Howard. That's not a pedal steel is it?

Howard Parker · Post by **Howard Parker** » 5 Apr 2016 1:58 pm

Charlie McDonald wrote: Cool photo, Howard. That's not a pedal steel is it?

Probably not. No one was mocking me!

I did feel slightly silly collecting a paycheck for that gig though. It was a profitable evening!

h

Ken Pippus · Post by **Ken Pippus** » 5 Apr 2016 4:13 pm

Ken Pippus wrote:Unfortunately, opinions are often stated most vehemently by those whose credentials least justify their confidence.

And I agree, there are a small number of members whose posts and threads I try very hard not to read.

I promise not to quote myself very often, but this one seemed timely.

Bob Russell · Post by **Bob Russell** » 5 Apr 2016 6:11 pm

Ken Pippus wrote:
Ken Pippus wrote:Unfortunately, opinions are often stated most vehemently by those whose credentials least justify their confidence.

And I agree, there are a small number of members whose posts and threads I try very hard not to read.
I promise not to quote myself very often, but this one seemed timely.

What Ken said!! It's also telling that the most virulently opinionated and negative usually have no recorded examples of their playing available online so that we can more accurately ascertain the worth of their pronouncements.

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 5 Apr 2016 7:08 pm

It's also telling that the most virulently opinionated and negative usually have no recorded examples of their playing available online so that we can more accurately ascertain the worth of their pronouncements.

Good point. When ever someone starts bragging about how good their whatever brand sounds. I usually youtube them. More times than not. I'm disappointed.

In all my years on here. I never remember Buddy Emmons, Hal Rugg, Weldon, Herby Wallace, just to name few. Starting a topic about how great they sounded on any night on any gear. Others, have started a topics about how great they sounded. But never the above mentioned players, nor most other great pro and regional players that I recall.

My Daddy always told me. Son, if you sound good. You don't have to tell anybody. They'll tell you.

For the record. I'm not addressing the Thread title. We've long since drifted from that. Only what I quoted.

Chris Sattler · Post by **Chris Sattler** » 5 Apr 2016 7:47 pm

[quote="Calvin Walley"]

we all know Herb is a great player and knows everything there is or ever will be to know about pedal steel ,
( just ask him if you don't believe me )

Well Calvin I was working up something to write in your defense before you wrote this. Now, and to quote "Blazing Saddles":

"Son..... You're on your own"

Jim Fogarty · Post by **Jim Fogarty** » 5 Apr 2016 8:25 pm

When you find yourself at the bottom of a hole...........stop digging!

James Sission · Post by **James Sission** » 6 Apr 2016 4:31 pm

Calvin Walley wrote:we all know Herb is a great player and knows everything there is or ever will be to know about pedal steel , ( just ask him if you don't believe me )

I've known Herb a long time. He don't need me to take up for him either. He can stand tall all on his own. But this statement is ignorant and typical of a closed minded know it all of which there is no shortage of on this forum. Herb has never even remotely suggested he "knows everything there is or ever will be to know about pedal steel." Calvin, you are one of reasons seasoned and proven pro players like Herb have abandoned this forum.

Jack Hanson · Post by **Jack Hanson** » 6 Apr 2016 5:36 pm

Calvin Walley wrote:if your over 40 think about the sound that made you want to play the steel
i doubt that it was some hot lick being played in a rock band or such .

i am willing to bet it was a crying steel playing some old honky tonk song

I haven't seen the age of 40 since well back into the last century. Back when I was just a proverbial knee high however, the record man knocked me out with the sound of a Fender pedal steel played by the Lovin' Spoonful, straight from the honky tonks of Greenwich Village:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4p7prURvIk

So, you'd lose that bet, Calvin.

Jim Fogarty · Post by **Jim Fogarty** » 6 Apr 2016 6:07 pm

Late 40's my own self......and while I've spent my professional life performing in the NE equivalent of Honky Tonks.....and adore Honky Tonk music.......THIS is what turned me on to pedal steel all those years ago,....

Red Rhodes......with his guest guitarist, vocalist and writer, Papa Nes.

http://youtu.be/WmEpHXtTUd0

And my longtime musical compadre, Iain Matthews and his band Southern Comfort....

http://youtu.be/x-8r3Z-BR7M