Ebay: D-11 Emmons?

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 18 Sep 2004 8:17 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=621&item=3749307487&rd=1

I think that this one will go skyhigh.
Nice p/p.

Ron

John Bresler R.I.P. · Post by **John Bresler R.I.P.** » 18 Sep 2004 9:07 am

Bad picture!! Also, there's something screwy about the way the pedal rods look. I'd want to see better pictures and the underside before I'd bid on this one. Just my $.02 worth.

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 18 Sep 2004 10:00 am

If no one else takes it for that price......Heck i will.I think that pedalboard is not mounted on to the legs.Maybe the pawnshop owner does not know how to do that.

But i will pay up to $1500 for that one.
Maybe more.

Ron

Farris Currie · Post by **Farris Currie** » 18 Sep 2004 11:25 am

SCARY to me, rods are not hooked up,pedal board laying on floor. might be a pcs. of junk, don't never know!!! you buy her,you got
her. just my opinion!!!! farris

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 18 Sep 2004 11:39 am

Farris.

Don't think this one's a fake.Look at the sellers feedback.He's got a rep.to keep up.

Ron

Larry Behm · Post by **Larry Behm** » 19 Sep 2004 4:36 am

Looks like a wrap around from here. I would be concerned about wraping (sp) they have had a lot of water and humidity in FL since 1964.

Larry Behm

Jerry Clardy · Post by **Jerry Clardy** » 19 Sep 2004 5:38 am

The pickups don't look familiar to me. Are those Emmons pickups?

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 19 Sep 2004 6:05 am

Dunno.

I mailed the guy that sells this one and told him that if he would consider shipping to Europe he can send it right away.I need an example for my future to build p/p.
And for this price i have a great deal i guess...

Ron

Kenny Dail · Post by **Kenny Dail** » 19 Sep 2004 8:10 am

I have been led to believe that Emmons Guitar Co never built 11 string guitars. I don't believe it is an "Emmons."

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Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 19 Sep 2004 8:26 am

What sort of casting is that neck? There's no cut-tail that I can see. See 'custom D11' on the logo? Old-style pedals, too.

What do the experts say?

RR

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 19 Sep 2004 11:03 am

As far as i can see it is a P/P steel.And the necks are not Emmons style.the fretboards are though.But when i look at the knee-lever IMO that ain't Emmons either.Maybe this is one of the first "Promat" PSG's.Mister Papic uses these fretboards.And the pedals look similar to the pedals he is using.Maybe Damir Basic can help us out on this one.But eitherway.....i don't think that this is a homemade steel.
But if it is...it sure is nicely build.

Ron

Mark Herrick · Post by **Mark Herrick** » 19 Sep 2004 11:21 am

Before committing to this purchase you need to get GOOD close-up, detailed pictures of the underside of this guitar, the changer, the keyheads, the pedal board and anything else you can think of.

I purchased a P/P (from a Forum member!) that was described as being in "excellent" condition without seeing pictures. It was unplayable and required about $800 worth of work. It's great now, but wasn't worth the price I paid for it at the time.

Just my personal experience...

Also, everything that I can see in those pictures looks like an Emmons. The tailpiece looks just like the wraparound here:
http://www.melmusic.com/laceyj/page04.html

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Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 19 Sep 2004 11:59 am

Mark.

Looking at the link you posted.I must say that you are correct with your opinion.This sure looks like the one on that site.Same pedals...etc.etc.everything is the same.But now the big question....Is there a D11 Custom Steel made by Emmons?

Ron

Mark Herrick · Post by **Mark Herrick** » 19 Sep 2004 12:20 pm

Could have been a "one-off", custom-made guitar for a particular customer (most likely) or maybe even a prototype that never went into production (less likely.)

Either way, whoever buys this guitar should expect to put some additional money into it before it is in truly top shape; again, just my personal experience...

Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 19 Sep 2004 1:02 pm

Chas Smith sent me a couple pictures of his D-11 Emmons back in 2002. Hopefully he won't mind me quoting his email: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Hi Jim,

These are not the greatest photos, but at least you'll get
the idea. It's my understanding that Emmons made
2 of these, the other is in Fla. It's a D-11 on a D-10
body with a contracted string spacing, 10 peds and
6 knees. It's my understand that it was originally made
for Bobby Garrett and it was later used as a road guitar
for Bernie Watruba (sp?). Somewhere along the line
it had a pedal bar installed for someone with short legs,
I've since put on a regular one. It has a lot of mileage on it,
and I played it out for 3 years. It sounds like what you would
expect and the string spacing takes a little getting used to.

Best Regards
Chas smith<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 19 Sep 2004 1:08 pm

I`m by no means Emmons expert but this guitar does look like an Emmons.As far as I know "Promat" never bilt D-11 guitar.

Db

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Jon Light (deceased) · Post by **Jon Light (deceased)** » 19 Sep 2004 1:16 pm

Sooper dooper info, Jim. This would sure seem to be the other one. That string spacing info is real important for anyone to keep in mind.

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 20 Sep 2004 9:48 am

I've edited the title of this topic to be more descriptive.

chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 20 Sep 2004 7:33 pm

I have been led to believe that Emmons Guitar Co never built 11 string guitars. I don't believe it is an "Emmons."

It's for real, but I don't know if those are the original pickups. On the one I have, the spacers between the changer fingers were left off to make room for the 11th finger. So to add to Jim's posting, it has 11 strings in the space of 10.

Glenn Austin · Post by **Glenn Austin** » 21 Sep 2004 7:40 am

So this is an infamous 65 wraparound? I'm almost tempted to bid on it. How hard could it be to get used to the string spacing?

Drew Howard · Post by **Drew Howard** » 21 Sep 2004 8:07 am

I love mutant guitars.

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Fessenden D-10 8+8 / Magnatone S-8 (E13)

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 21 Sep 2004 10:10 am

I would guess that this is an 1971 - 1973 guitar. The wraparound neck doesn't mean anything. I think you can get wraparound necks at Emmons today. I think all Cut Tail necks start life as wraparounds. I bet they used a wraparound neck because they could not make the Cut Tail end block fit the pillows with eleven finger sets on the axle.
The knob is 70s, but I guess that could have been switched-out along with the decal on the apron; the width of the bellcranks is 70s, not 60s. I don't see a green Tiny Chief cap. It looks like there is a metal reinforcement runner along the bottom of the aprons (I don't mean the cross strap.)
The wide pedals could mean early 70s and didn't they have wide pedals and narrow spacing for a brief time in 1972 or so?
Chas, when was your D11 made?
Chris[This message was edited by Chris Lucker on 21 September 2004 at 11:12 AM.]

chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 21 Sep 2004 11:04 am

Chris, it has the decal on the front and is serial # 1398, so I'm guessing 1968 or 69. Jody's D-10 is 1399 and I think he took delivery in 69.

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 21 Sep 2004 11:18 am

Doesn't it look like the first strings on both necks have no lower fingers -- just raise fingers?
Same as yours, Chas?
I like the guide for the E neck first string raise rod -- see it mounted on the side of the apron?
Does this body look like it has cross shaft spacing for ten pedals, or nine? That will tell us how old it is.

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 21 Sep 2004 12:20 pm

Looks like somebody got it. It has been removed from auction.