U-12 players, Show us your copedant

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 14 Mar 2015 7:47 pm

Here's mine. The W is my wrist lever.

Jim Pitman · Post by **Jim Pitman** » 15 Mar 2015 8:27 am

Here's what I have on my Infinity. I reduce this image, print it out, and tape it to my tuner cover. Note it has tuning offsets listed.

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 15 Mar 2015 9:09 am

Here's how my home-built guitar is set up:-

It's quite conventional except for the absence of a P6 - RKR takes care of it. I didn't play E9 for long enough to get attached to the 9th-string D, but I like having the B raise as well:-

Tuning string 2 to C# and raising it is an idea I got from you, Mike - it's more important to have it ready to go in B6 mode.

I'm with the majority who accept A# on the vertical. To get the full benefit of the Day arrangement, I may put P8 back where it came from so I can have a 5th-string Â½-step raise (A+V) next to P5.

Hope you get plenty more responses. BTW, does E lowers on LKR give you enough freedom of movement over the "B6" pedals?

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 15 Mar 2015 9:18 am

Ian Rae wrote:.. I like having the B raise as well:-

I like that on the higher B string (.017 inch) but not on the .036 inch string. I even had it on a knee lever when I had a guitar that would play C# in tune when lowered from D. Right now none of my guitars do that in tune, so it is somewhat less useful and I moved it way over to the right for occasional use by the right foot.

Is your C# in tune when you play that passage?

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 15 Mar 2015 9:25 am

Yes it is, maybe because it's a Kline-inspired changer that tunes at the endplate.

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 15 Mar 2015 9:29 am

Ian Rae wrote:Yes it is, maybe because it's a Kline-inspired changer that tunes at the endplate.

Yep, Kline would do it right. I should get to work on my ultraklein which is currently not playable.

Les Cargill · Post by **Les Cargill** » 15 Mar 2015 1:16 pm

I will probably add an 8 pedal at some point. The knees are not perfect - I might need to reverse RKR and LKR at some point, or put what is now RKR on an LKV to be named later. The "8 pedal" then would probably go on RKR.

I use RKR almost exclusively for a minor with A&B down. So it would fit on LKV nicely, assuming I can operate a vertical. I believe there's a C6 use of that pull ( BE has string 3 on C6 like that on RKR of his C6 ), but it's not tuned for it. It's also not tuned with A&B pedals up. This would give a nice F#dom7 at the open fret if it was tuned.

This is organized to support how I had the guitar on its back when rerodding it.

I use the 4 pedal a lot, especially on E9 stuff.

mike nolan · Post by **mike nolan** » 15 Mar 2015 2:30 pm

On the Emmons S-12 Push Pull

Hans Holzherr · Post by **Hans Holzherr** » 15 Mar 2015 8:32 pm

Here's mine.

Jerry Hayes R.I.P. · Post by **Jerry Hayes R.I.P.** » 16 Mar 2015 8:08 am

I can't get the notes to line up on a chart so I'll just tell you what mine is.... First of all It's basically an extended E9 with the 2nd and 9th strings tuned to C#... From top to bottom it's F# C# G# E B G# F# E C# B G# E...

My LKL raises the 2nd string C# to D# and lowers the 10th string B to Bb(A#)

My LKV lowers the 5th string B to Bb(A#)

my LKR raises both the 2nd and 9th strings C# to D

my RKL raises the 4th & 8th strings E to F

my RKR lowers the 4th & 8th strings E to Eb(D#

P1 lowers the 3rd string G# to G and raises the 7th string F# to G#

P2 raises the 5th & 10th strings B to C#

P3 raises the 3rd, 6th & 11th strings G# to A

P4 raises the 5th string B to C# and the 6th string G# to A#

P5 lowers the 7th string F# to F and the 12th string E to C#

P6 lowers the 9th string C# to C, the 10th string B to Bb(A# and the 12th string E to Eb(D#)

P7 (Used mostly with the right foot) raises both the 1st and 7th strings F# to G

P8 (My "Mooney Pedal" used with the right foot) raises only the 4th string E to F#...

I find with this setup I can get all the swing and pop sounds I want along with my favorite west coast stuff.............JH in Va.

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 16 Mar 2015 2:04 pm

Jerry, I wanted to be able to look at your setup so I've tabulated it. I am a pedant so I have called F "E#" and so on - hope you aren't offended

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 16 Mar 2015 9:09 pm

Mike Perlowin wrote:Here's mine. The W is my wrist lever.

How do you keep from breaking string 3 with pedal 8?

Rick Schmidt · Post by **Rick Schmidt** » 16 Mar 2015 9:29 pm

I have a U12, but I don't play it all that much...but here's how I have it set up.

Tom Gorr · Post by **Tom Gorr** » 16 Mar 2015 9:37 pm

Jerry...I have been working on a different copedent for my second Uni...and interestingly...your open string tuning is one of two similar approaches I have been evaluating...its an E6 E9 variation. Some good ideas in there.

I'll be posting my E9/B6 5x5 copedent next time I get to my PC....BTW good idea for a thread, Mike.

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 16 Mar 2015 11:05 pm

b0b wrote:
Mike Perlowin wrote:Here's mine. The W is my wrist lever.

How do you keep from breaking string 3 with pedal 8?

My mistake. P 8 raises strings 10 and 6, not string 3.

I never noticed the error before.

Jan Oelbrandt · Post by **Jan Oelbrandt** » 16 Mar 2015 11:31 pm

This is my current uni C6 copedent:

Niels Andrews · Post by **Niels Andrews** » 17 Mar 2015 5:34 am

Jon Light (deceased) · Post by **Jon Light (deceased)** » 17 Mar 2015 2:59 pm

Olli Haavisto · Post by **Olli Haavisto** » 17 Mar 2015 11:02 pm

Fred Rogan · Post by **Fred Rogan** » 19 Mar 2015 11:01 am

I have a Williams U12 with the standard copedent and I seem to have the only one posted so far with Es flatted on the RKR. RKL is definitely predominant as far as flatting the Es. What am I missing??

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 19 Mar 2015 11:19 am

Fred Rogan wrote:I have a Williams U12 with the standard copedent and I seem to have the only one posted so far with Es flatted on the RKR. RKL is definitely predominant as far as flatting the Es. What am I missing??

Actually, I see several copedents above that lower the E's on RKR.

I believe that the tradition of lowering E's on RKL and raising them on RKR came from Sho-Bud. On pull-release guitars like the Sho-Bud Maverick, it was mechanically simpler to do lowers on left-moving levers and raises on right-moving levers. On modern guitars, it makes no difference mechanically.

Most players today raise E's to F on LKL because it's a very natural movement with the ABC (Emmons) pedal arrangement. There's still a substantial minority who have their F lever on the right knee. I don't know if it's from long-held reflexes or genuine musical reasons, especially on the U-12.

Fred Rogan · Post by **Fred Rogan** » 19 Mar 2015 11:47 am

thank you b0b! that was interesting.

Fred Rogan · Post by **Fred Rogan** » 19 Mar 2015 11:49 am

And I guess whether it is on the left or right is strictly personal preference. The PSG does more to accommodate personal preference than any instrument I can think of.

Tom Gorr · Post by **Tom Gorr** » 19 Mar 2015 11:54 am

Unless the PSG has an E lower lever lock, I really can't see why someone would want to hold an LKR E lower in place while playing the B6 pedals.

Tom Gorr · Post by **Tom Gorr** » 19 Mar 2015 12:06 pm

Here's my copedent...anything in Red is uninstalled parts at this time...I've used everything else for 15 years now, and don't feel like I'm missing a whole lot...even with an 8x8 D10 in the house.

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