The Great Equalizer

Norman Boling · Post by **Norman Boling** » 15 Feb 2015 4:03 am

I keep this picture on my wall when I practice. Not that I can play any better, but it helps me keep the basics in perspective.

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 15 Feb 2015 4:35 am

I'm having to guess; is it Jeff Newman?

K Maul · Post by **K Maul** » 15 Feb 2015 4:40 am

Joking? It`s Thomas Jefferson..
E9 with 3 and 3.

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 15 Feb 2015 4:47 am

Not kidding; respectfully, whether the photo is Thomas Jefferson or Norman Boling, I'd like to know the copedent,
because a 3 x 3 E9 would be an equalizer in terms of efficiency and economy, one I'd copy.
It looks like a very clean setup, easy to get around on.

Dick Sexton · Post by **Dick Sexton** » 15 Feb 2015 5:40 am

Poor ole Jeff's rolling around laughing...

That's a Sho-Bud LDG 3&4 being held by the person who came up with the concept I believe, look close you'll see the other knee lever.

Charlie Prides steel player?

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 15 Feb 2015 6:14 am

Thanks, Dick, yes I'm embarrassed

but could someone please humor me and tell me his name? Wait, I have it, Lloyd Green!
(I can research it on my own with that to find the equalizing components maybe. This was a topic for insiders; sorry, Charlie.)

Ken Campbell · Post by **Ken Campbell** » 15 Feb 2015 7:53 am

The Master. Simple is elegant. Another example of incredible taste and....restraint.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 15 Feb 2015 10:43 am

So now, since we know it has 4 knee levers, it's not as impressive as with only 3 knee levers.

Actually, Lloyd be da man.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 15 Feb 2015 10:48 am

where've ya been, charlie?

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 15 Feb 2015 11:09 am

Dick Sexton wrote:Poor ole Jeff's rolling around laughing...

LDG would probably be laughing too.

chris

@ school

K Maul · Post by **K Maul** » 15 Feb 2015 11:10 am

My apologies for being a wise guy-
Our Founding Fathers-
GEORGE WASHINGTON

JOHN ADAMS

BEN FRANKLIN?

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 26 Jun 2015 5:45 pm

Charlie McDonald wrote:Not kidding; respectfully, whether the photo is Thomas Jefferson or Norman Boling, I'd like to know the copedent,
because a 3 x 3 E9 would be an equalizer in terms of efficiency and economy, one I'd copy.
It looks like a very clean setup, easy to get around on.

This is Lloyd Green's copedent. It's actually 3+4, but the changes are minimalist.
[tab]# note LKL Ped1 Ped2 Ped3 LKR RKL RKR
1 F# __+G________________________________________
2 D# ________________________________-D/C#_______
3 G# _____________+A_____________________________
4 E ___________________+F#____+F________________
5 B _______+C#_________+C#______________________
6 G# _____________+A_____________________________
7 F# ____________________________________________
8 E __________________________+F___________-D#__
9 D ____________________________________________
10 B _______+C#__________________________________[/tab]

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 27 Jun 2015 12:48 am

In the first photo I count 3x5

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 27 Jun 2015 2:03 am

Zooming in, the middle shaft seems to be a dummy.
Maybe the setup is called 3x3 because one of the knees he typically never used. Anyone know?
I imagine he could get around well on a 3x2 and find it interesting that he raises E->F on LKR.
This guy must be pretty good, whoever he is. Love the loafer.

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 27 Jun 2015 2:25 am

Charlie, looking at the linking rods and reversers, I see 3&4. From left to right, the cross-shafts under the neck connect, in order, to: RKR; RKL; LKL (with linkage); LKR; P3; P2; P1.

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 27 Jun 2015 2:51 am

I see the linkage now. Thanks, Lane.

Edward Rhea · Post by **Edward Rhea** » 27 Jun 2015 3:27 am

Neat thread.
Here's a thread that I searched. Seems the "D" in LDG isn't an initial of Lloyd's? Also, I've heard, that the term "loafer", refers to another brand of PSG that is a SD10 from another builder(not Sho~Bud)? Any truth to that?

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum15/HTML/000276.html

Thanks.

Per Berner · Post by **Per Berner** » 27 Jun 2015 3:56 am

I believe the "D" is for his wife's name, Dot if I remember correctly.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 27 Jun 2015 6:58 am

alright, let's all go home and study up on our history now. come back next year for the test.

Mark van Allen · Post by **Mark van Allen** » 27 Jun 2015 9:20 am

Yeah, this thread is pretty amusing, really. I truly hope Lloyd looks in!

I had not seen that photo of Lloyd and the up skirt… it is indeed inspiring. I never tire of or lose my amazement at the sheer musicality and beauty of what Mr. Green can pull out of that setup. The true intersection of art and genius.

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 27 Jun 2015 1:58 pm

Lloyd Green (via email) wrote:Actually, rather than viewing the changes on my set-up being minimalist, once I found the E-F change around 1966 or’67, I instinctively felt they were complete because now I could play anything I could mentally conceive relative to the E9th tuning.
Prior to the E-F change the tunings “incompleteness” often led me into dead-end zones from which I had to extricate myself.
However, one could legitimately characterize my changes as “minimalist” considering all the additional, but duplicative and redundant, pedals players have added since the 1960s. I did, and do, use the term “minimalist country” to describe the Don Williams sound though.

Dan Robinson · Post by **Dan Robinson** » 27 Jun 2015 2:27 pm

Edward Rhea wrote: Also, I've heard, that the term "loafer", refers to another brand of PSG that is a SD10 from another builder(not Sho~Bud)? Any truth to that?

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum15/HTML/000276.html

Thanks.

Emmons.

Edward Rhea · Post by **Edward Rhea** » 27 Jun 2015 3:07 pm

Thanks Dan!
I just wanted to get my facts straight. There's a test next year...

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