Emmons Wraparound #2190

Justin Griffith · Post by **Justin Griffith** » 1 Sep 2014 8:16 am

Bought this guitar a couple weeks ago. I'm thinking it's a 1965, but those invoice number guitars are hard for me to figure out.

It's a red belly D-10, no stripe on pickups, wide chrome fretboards, etc. it now has 8X4, but I'm sure that has changed over the years.

Anyone have any history. I do know it is the "Rapearound" Bobby Dardeman had for sale a few years ago....lol

Thanks Gang
Justin

Justin Griffith · Post by **Justin Griffith** » 1 Sep 2014 8:24 am

Ron Whitworth · Post by **Ron Whitworth** » 1 Sep 2014 9:55 am

Hello Justin;
Nice score there. Congratulations!!
The wraparounds are getting scarce & expensive.
Many folks consider them to be the " holy grails "
of the push pull guitars.
Sorry I can't help you on the invoice number guitars but there are some on here that will help.
Enjoy that baby !!
Ron

Justin Griffith · Post by **Justin Griffith** » 1 Sep 2014 1:05 pm

Thank you Ron. I've only been looking for one about 15 years....
I'll see you in Phoenix pal.

Ron Whitworth · Post by **Ron Whitworth** » 1 Sep 2014 1:33 pm

You are sure welcome Justin.
They do not come around often.

Yes - I will catch up to you in January at the
SWSGA show.

Take goooooooood care of that baby & don't let it go!

My Best to you.
Ron

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 3 Sep 2014 10:55 am

Wow, nice guitar. Wrap arounds are getting as scarce as hens teeth, especially the red bellies I understand.

How does it sound?

Hook Moore · Post by **Hook Moore** » 3 Sep 2014 11:42 am

Good catch !

Justin Griffith · Post by **Justin Griffith** » 3 Sep 2014 5:25 pm

Thanks guys.
Henry, It sounds just great!
BTW, are you playing anywhere Saturday night? I will be staying the night in Texarkana the way to Nashville. I'd like to meet you and hear that new Quilter amp!!

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 3 Sep 2014 10:33 pm

steel looks good. wasn't there some problem dealing with dardeman in the past?

Mike Kowalik · Post by **Mike Kowalik** » 4 Sep 2014 5:21 am

Is this the push pull Denny Mathis was playing the last few years or so?

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 4 Sep 2014 5:44 am

Sent you a PM Justin
Will be at Oaklawn Opry, 124 Oaklawn Village, Texarkana Texas.
Go To Oaklawnopry.info and has map

Justin Griffith · Post by **Justin Griffith** » 4 Sep 2014 6:03 am

I didn't deal with Dardeman directly. A friend bought it for Dave Biller. Dave decided to sell it and I got it through him.

I'm not sure if this is the guitar Denny played or not. You might ask him Mike. I know Dardeman had it for several years. I just am trying to figure out who had before. It don't really matter, I'm just curious

Herb gave me some good info, but there is still a few questions.

Thanks guys.

Justin Griffith · Post by **Justin Griffith** » 4 Sep 2014 6:04 am

I didn't deal with Dardeman directly. A friend bought it for Dave Biller. Dave decided to sell it and I got it through him.

I'm not sure if this is the guitar Denny played or not. You might ask him Mike. I know Dardeman had it for several years. I just am trying to figure out who had before. It don't really matter, I'm just curious

Herb gave me some good info, but there is still a few questions.

Thanks guys.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 4 Sep 2014 7:11 am

does anyone know how the wraparound serial numbers work? i thought they were a longer number.

Mike Kowalik · Post by **Mike Kowalik** » 4 Sep 2014 8:21 am

Heard Super Dave play this guitar at the Austin Co-Op jam a few months ago and it is a great sounding steel...

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 4 Sep 2014 10:21 am

chris ivey wrote:does anyone know how the wraparound serial numbers work? i thought they were a longer number.

Chris, some of the earlier Emmons steels used invoice number instead of a serial number. Somewhere in the mid or later 60's they changer to the serial number with a D in front if it was a double neck. this one is a 65 or 66, don't know which.

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 4 Sep 2014 10:43 am

Hey Justin; if Herb doesn't know all you need to know. Possibley Rick Price(I can get you in touch with him) or even Mike Cass or Chris Lucker.

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 5 Sep 2014 4:44 pm

Henry Matthews wrote:
chris ivey wrote:does anyone know how the wraparound serial numbers work? i thought they were a longer number.
Chris, some of the earlier Emmons steels used invoice number instead of a serial number. Somewhere in the mid or later 60's they changer to the serial number with a D in front if it was a double neck. this one is a 65 or 66, don't know which.

I deleted the details I posted about the four Emmons push pull numbering formats in the 1960s, the six bellcrank styles, seven pedal styles, three keyheads etc that and many other details that date an Emmons push pull.
Sorry for sharing the precise history. I received too much harassment from the Oregon Boys. Good luck.

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 5 Sep 2014 7:59 pm

Chris, my statement is incomplete but not misleading, thanks for the completion.

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 5 Sep 2014 9:35 pm

Whatever. It was not accurate. Just as the list listed on the Carter site that was faked is inaccurate.

It does not matter. I was just perplexed why you posted and answer when you did not know the history? Odd. But typical here.

Don Mogle · Post by **Don Mogle** » 5 Sep 2014 9:55 pm

Chris,

You are such an amazing wealth of knowledge on these early push pulls.

Could you tell me at what point in time did all this experimentation end? I'm thinking Mr. Lashley must have been testing different things to get the best sound possible. Were all the bugs worked our by 1967? 1968? 1969? 1970?

Also, is this the correct order of changers used? Bolt-on --> wrap around --> cut tail?

Thanks,

Don

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 5 Sep 2014 11:43 pm

No. Sorry. I have gotten too much harassment from the Oregon Boys this evening.

I have nine Wraparounds and have owned close to a third of them made, and was trying to acquire every 1964 so I could compare them side by side. But I guess guys who knew someone who once heard a Wraparound on a record know more,

Good Luck

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 6 Sep 2014 9:40 am

chris...you're a good guy and a wealth of knowledge. i can't imagine why anyone wouldn't just appreciate that. i can't imagine what the oregon problem is. you and mike c. have probably more hands on knowledge of wraparounds than most anyone....

Lynn Stafford · Post by **Lynn Stafford** » 6 Sep 2014 11:56 am

Chris Lucker wrote:No. Sorry. I have gotten too much harassment from the Oregon Boys this evening.

I have nine Wraparounds and have owned close to a third of them made, and was trying to acquire every 1964 so I could compare them side by side. But I guess guys who knew someone who once heard a Wraparound on a record know more,

Good Luck

I live in Oregon and as such, I want to offer my sincerest apologies to those people who are asking these valuable questions and not getting answers, because of the "Oregon Boys" whoever they may be. I don't know of anyone here in Oregon (myself included) that would have any interest in harassing anyone able or willing to provide detailed information about the history of the early Emmons guitars.

Sincerely,
Lynn Stafford

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