Sho Bud???

Nicholas Ackron · Post by **Nicholas Ackron** » 8 Aug 2014 5:35 pm

Whats the model of this Sho Bud??

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 8 Aug 2014 6:37 pm

Hard for me to tell from that view and that dark. It'll say on the underside.

Douglas Schuch · Post by **Douglas Schuch** » 9 Aug 2014 2:27 am

Well, it probably started life as a D-10 - not sure when LDG's first were made, but the screws in the neck I believe make this a 73 or earlier - about that time they started putting in the screws from underneath. And the changer is Professional or later. So, I'd guess either Professional or early Pro II. Possibly an early LDG. As Lane says, the underside shot would tell a lot more. And I like sorting this stuff out, but I'm no expert, so take my opinion with a grain of salt....

Doug

Nicholas Ackron · Post by **Nicholas Ackron** » 9 Aug 2014 3:39 am

I'm waiting to get betyer pics

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 9 Aug 2014 8:45 am

68 or 69??

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 9 Aug 2014 8:46 am

obviously nothing to do with the ldg era. you must be new at this history thing.
probably just prior to the professional. older square edged cabinet and inlay.
a friend of mine had (long ago) an s10 that was all pull...post perm or fingertip...that had a square body but not a professional. this one does have what looks like a professional changer and housing, but i doubt any sd10's were made back then, so probably a double neck.

Nicholas Ackron · Post by **Nicholas Ackron** » 9 Aug 2014 9:02 am

It was a D10 but converted to a Sd10

Skip Edwards · Post by **Skip Edwards** » 9 Aug 2014 11:48 am

Over the years, Sho-Bud make every possible kind of mishmosh - mixup of old and new parts you could imagine. This particular gtr doesn't surprise me a bit.
Whatever it is, it's pretty cool.
Could we see underneath? How about a changer at the endplate pic?

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 9 Aug 2014 2:48 pm

Hi Nick!
It is a square front, and my November '74 is still a round front, with the large pedals. Does this one have the narrow pedals?
John

Storm Rosson · Post by **Storm Rosson** » 9 Aug 2014 3:04 pm

Back when I bought my Pro II from Lynn Wooldridge,he said that it was the first year they made the pro III and he had one in his store and it had a square front and diamond inlay.I was told by Lynn that the pro III's would have the square front w/diamond inlay and apparently all models from that point on.This was prolly late 74, early 75 or there-about.Don't know that's a fact, but what I was told. I think Dave Musgrave was a rep for sho-bud and he told that info to Lynn at Lynn's old store in Roswell. So maybe it started life as a Pro III D-10 just a guess.If we could see the changer end and it has a +3/-2 then it most likely was/is a Pro III.

Daniel McKee · Post by **Daniel McKee** » 9 Aug 2014 3:23 pm

That's an interesting one. It has the appearance of an older model like 60's but the changer as someone already said appears to be professional era or later meaning probalbly 1970 or up. very cool either way.

David Nugent · Post by **David Nugent** » 9 Aug 2014 5:43 pm

Nicholas...Are there allen screws protruding from the rear of the changer?

Nicholas Ackron · Post by **Nicholas Ackron** » 10 Aug 2014 7:06 pm

I spoke to the guy today and he's going to send pics to me tomorrow and he also told me that the pedals are 1 1/2in wide!

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 10 Aug 2014 7:11 pm

Nick, my friend,
This may be way off base,,, but could the body be that of a 60's Perm that has been updated with a new changer and mechanicals? That body looks,,, well like an older style! Just wondering,,,, is the Shobud decal on top of the finish, or lacquered over? Interesting guitar, and it may be very cool!
John

Nicholas Ackron · Post by **Nicholas Ackron** » 10 Aug 2014 7:19 pm

I'll share the pics when I get them!

Brett Day · Post by **Brett Day** » 10 Aug 2014 8:06 pm

Douglas Schuch wrote:Well, it probably started life as a D-10 - not sure when LDG's first were made, but the screws in the neck I believe make this a 73 or earlier - about that time they started putting in the screws from underneath. And the changer is Professional or later. So, I'd guess either Professional or early Pro II. Possibly an early LDG. As Lane says, the underside shot would tell a lot more. And I like sorting this stuff out, but I'm no expert, so take my opinion with a grain of salt....

Doug

The LDGs were first built around 1973

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 10 Aug 2014 8:19 pm

Yeah Brett,
I think second half of '73. And I think they were the first to have barrels behind two hole pullers, which is a great system, that didn't last too long in production. My November '74 S-10 has the brass discs, no barrels.
JB

Ian Worley · Post by **Ian Worley** » 11 Aug 2014 12:05 am

The later Professional/Pro I/II/III square fronts have a step in the end plates in front, the upper inlay is down ~3/4" at the base of the top deck. Super Pros don't have a step but they have a narrower return across the front. These endplates are wide like 60s fingertip style and the top inlay too, flush with the top deck. The changer is the only thing in the pic that looks 70s-ish

Jerry Van Hoose · Post by **Jerry Van Hoose** » 11 Aug 2014 2:07 am

It looks like a 70's Pro mechanism (changer & key head) w/a mid-late 60's permanent/fingertip double cabinet, very cool. Presently, I think that Jackson uses a similar body configuration on some of their guitars along with their modern undercarriage. I really like it!

David Nugent · Post by **David Nugent** » 11 Aug 2014 4:16 am

The cabinet appeared to me to be from the fingertip era also which is why I posed the question concerning the changer screws.

Nicholas Ackron · Post by **Nicholas Ackron** » 11 Aug 2014 5:09 am

He also told me that the tuning keys on the changer end has to be tuned with a hex/allen wrench.

Skip Edwards · Post by **Skip Edwards** » 11 Aug 2014 6:55 am

Hex/allen wrench... either a rack & barrel or a two hole puller & barrel setup.
This is an older body with a newer changer, undercarriage & keyhead with roller nut...that started out as a D10. And yeah, 72 or 73, since the p/u is a later one w/o the screws that go through the top plate.
Probably got switched to the newer stuff when the conversion to SD was done.
It's pretty unique...and very cool.

Nicholas Ackron · Post by **Nicholas Ackron** » 11 Aug 2014 7:03 am

He played it for me through a Nashville 400, and it sounds pretty good, I love the tone!!! He just told me it has a volume and tone knob. He found some numbers underneath 22-3-72 and it has handles on both ends. Any help fellows?

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 11 Aug 2014 8:22 am

Nicholas; it is NOT a Shobud that came made like that from the factory. Just like everyone is telling you; it is a combination of many parts from different eras.
So it is NOT any particular model...sorry; it just is not.
ricky

Nicholas Ackron · Post by **Nicholas Ackron** » 11 Aug 2014 10:08 am

Ok sir, thanks, but do you believe it'll be a good buy?