that dang 9th string

Franklin · Posted 26 Jun 2003 7:26 pm

Larry,

Thanks for putting it in tab form. Seeing both side by side helps to define my point. The chromatics with the D string remain virtually in position. The universal without the D does not. As tempos increase chromatics in virtual positions remain easier to perform. Its all about pockets. Having to move out of position to perform the same phrase causes things to become more difficult especially when most of what I love hearing is found in the steel guitars root positions.

Paul

Larry Bell · From: Englewood, Florida

Yeah, you're probably right, Paul
But, it's basically two forward rolls a tritone apart -- not a really difficult move. And you end up in the home position for the last part of the lick.

The other cool thing is that you can walk that three string forward roll up three frets at a time and play a full chromatic scale. And it can be played pretty fast -- but pretty fast for me may not be for you.

Thanks again for being here.

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Al Marcus · From: Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)

[This message was edited by Al Marcus on 26 June 2003 at 09:51 PM.]

Al Marcus · From: Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)

Jerry Hayes, mentioned tuning the 2nd string to C# nd the 9th to C#. Then raising them to a D with a Knee lever. I think he has the right idea and can get into E6 a lot easier with that setup.....al

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Eric West · From: Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.

I've got a headache......

I should never have read that "Universal vs D10" thread. I was doing just fine...

Got a good three chord gig this weekend to erase it all from my mind.

The only job I've given myself is to play an Eb run, a Bb run, and an Ab run against every C chord that's over 4 bars. Maybe a couple augmented and diminished runs.

They'll never notice..

We'll see how it goes..

EJL

Bill Fulbright · From: Atlanta, GA

What a great thread!! Just look at all we have learned... Even drew out an excellent post from Sr. Franklin.

This one's a keeper.

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Bengt Erlandsen · From: Brekstad, NORWAY

That dang 9th string makes a lot of different voicings available. Here is a short list of different chords I have found and use.



                  (Dm7)      (C9)                   (G6)


    G7  Fmaj7  F7  F6  Fm6  Em7b5  G13  G7b13  Fdim  Em7  E7 Cadd9  Eaug 


 1-----------------------------------------------------------------------


 2-----------------------------------------------------------------------


 3-----------------------------------------------------------------------


 4-----------------------------------------------------------------------


 5--3-----3A---3a--3----3-----2a----3A----3a-----3----3---3---3-----3A---


 6--3-----3B---3B--3B---3B----2-----3-----3------3----3---3---3B----3B---


 7--------3----3---3-----------------------------------------------------


 8--3-------------------3R----2R----3-----3------3R---3---3R--3-----3R---


 9--3-----3----3---3----3-----2-----3-----3------3----3L--3L--3L----3L---


10-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The small "a" on string 5 is halfpedal or split w B-Bb

Having an extE9 it makes even more sense since there is a:
dom9th on strings 12 11 10 9 7
And a major 9 on strings 8 6 5 2 1
And a major interval on top on strings 4 3

Bengt Erlandsen

[This message was edited by Bengt Erlandsen on 27 June 2003 at 10:59 AM.]

Franklin · Posted 27 Jun 2003 6:35 am

Larry,

You can also do the three fret forward roll chromatic run with the 9th string. The 9th string allows both options. The point I am making is that its best to have as many chromatic options as possible for the ease of playing.

Anytime you give up a string you will lose alot. I believe Buddy Emmons added the D string to the tuning. Anyway whoever did was brilliant because it enables players to utilize the root position for the stronger leading tones when improvising single note phrases. Universal players have had to surrender some of those possibilities to gain the convenience of learning only one tuning.

This is a good thread.

Paul

Chris Forbes · From: Beltsville, MD, USA

A neat little resolution chord would be to play 4 6 9 in the pedals down position, then raise the 6th a half step and then lower the 9th a half step slowly. I've been using that as an ending chord quite a bit.

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

Here's a nice way of playing the 'bridge' from BE's 'Highland Swing' that I found using the 9th...

(In 'G')
10th fret - 9,6,5 and 4 with pedals B and C
10th fret - 9,6,5,4 (pedals 'off', and lower the 9th)
Then slide down to the 8th fret and play the same grip -
5th fret - 9,6,5,4 again with just B and C pedals...

After that, it's back to the 10th with the A pedal and the 'F' lever to get the B7, but you get the idea, I'm sure.

I love this 9th string AND the facility to lower it - the above is just one example of many chord applications...

RR
PS: Sorry about the makeshift 'tab'!!!

[This message was edited by Roger Rettig on 27 June 2003 at 08:09 AM.]

Keith Murrow · From: Wichita, KS

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[This message was edited by Keith Murrow on 26 October 2004 at 04:01 PM.]

Franklin · Posted 27 Jun 2003 2:38 pm

Larry,

How are you able to post tablature? That's pretty cool.

Paul

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

Paul, tab is a feature I added to the UBB software. It's explained in the UBB Code Help File.

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Franklin · Posted 27 Jun 2003 6:25 pm

Bob,
Thanks!

[This message was edited by Franklin on 27 June 2003 at 07:26 PM.]

Nicholas Dedring · From: Beacon, New York, USA

There's one transition from Imajor to I7th, or IV, or V that's also kind of neat that I was shown a while back, and it gives a different voicing than elsewhere available.

Strings 9,6&4, with B&C pedals down, two frets up from wherever you find the normal chord... lift pedals and drop two, you get the I7 chord, OR, if you use the 9 lower lever, and roll off the C pedal, you get a nice sounding five chord, or drop two frets to the four.

Simple simple. That's all I can muster, but I sort of like it.

Also: it's great to see the erstwhile Mr. Franklin among the posts again!

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