Jazz chords for E9...bebop/12bar blues progress

[Stuart Legg]

I had a few request for more Jazz chords for E9
I thought it might be a little easier to understand if I put over a 12 bAR blues progression.
1. Click the melody and listen to the chord progression that is taken from the midi of the TablEdit. It is the piano behind the PSG drums and bass. It has a repeating /pong ping pong ping/ sound. I suggest a little more subtle aproach by dropping the ping and just repeat /pong pong/.
Jazz bebop Blues melody
2. Try to follow it along with this jpeg of the Tab. Repeats 3 times and then ends.

[Stuart Legg]

3. click on the bebop chord progress for just the midi of the chords from TablEdit with drums and bass only.
Jazz bebop chord progess
4. Here is a jpeg of the principle of the chord progress as applied to the blues progression.

[Stuart Legg]

The idea is to phrase the chords to fit the song.
The was intended only to show the chord progression.
For those of you who have TablEdit or the Tef reader here is the TablEdit file for this.
Click here for TablEdit file

[Carl Mesrobian]

Bo:

I downloaded the TEF file, but can't get the chords to show. I have TablEdit Carbon Demo for Mac. I'll keep digging..

[Stuart Legg]

Sorry Carl I up loaded a file that didn't list the chords I'll send another to Box.net later tonight.
My jpegs of the TablEdit file has the chords entered from photoshop so the acual file will look different. That was a dirty trick wasn't it?
Here is the file with chords listed.
Click here

[Carl Mesrobian]

Sorry Carl I up loaded a file that didn't list the chords I'll send another to Box.net later tonight.
My jpegs of the TablEdit file has the chords entered from photoshop so the acual file will look different. That was a dirty trick wasn't it?

Sounds like something I'd do..

[Stuart Legg]

Well I just learned that when I send a file with the same name it replaces the other file in Box.net.
So I don't have to reenter it in topic to make corrections. That will save some time.
corrections made!

[Stuart Legg]

Carl as you have notice I'm sure this is about the theory substituting II V cells in chord progressions.

The ii V is kind of the holy grail of jazz progressions.

So I figure if you throw enough of them in a song you can't help but sound Jazzy.

[Carl Mesrobian]

I've been playing jazz on guitar for about 20 years There are lots of substitutions and this certainly is a nice place to start on PSG. A lot of it seems to be getting out of the straight major triad grips (10-8-6,8-6-5,6-5-4,5-4-3) and using grips with other strings. After over a year I feel comfortable enough to expand my "comfort zone".

Thanks a lot

[b0b]

I like the chord chart, Stuart. Nice work!

[Carl Mesrobian]

Stuart:

Thanks for the redirect from that other post

[Stuart Legg]

I borrowed these charts from my studies a long time ago and I don't know who to credit the original with.

[Jan Viljoen]

I am an absolute beginner in pedal steel jazz, but these chords fascinate me.
Also nice, is that all the 7th and 9th chords are ideal to use in blues.

Please explain the example of ii-V in the first line.
If the song starts in C, then it should be a variation of Dm and G? Why then the B and E?

In 1987 I visited a music shop in Johannesburg that was clearing out all it's stuff. Amongst the books I found three that I instantly grabbed:
Volume 1 and 2 of Mel Bay's Jazz guitar by Ronnie Lee, 1962. Paid about 1$ for it then.
I bound it with a plastic binder to turn the pages easily. The principles are universal I suppose.
Do you know about it and how do you rate it?

The other book was How to Construct a Bluegrass Mandolin by Roger Siminoff. $1.20 A friend built me a custom F mandolin from it. Nice.

I also have inter alia two other jazz books with cd's, published by Hal Leonard with chords: Jazz Duets.
And Alfred Jazz Master Tracks.

The practice of music is a lifelong undertaking, wish I have more time.

Thanks again for this forum.

[Carl Mesrobian]

..
Please explain the example of ii-V in the first line.
If the song starts in C, then it should be a variation of Dm and G? Why then the B and E?

...

It's going to Am, a substitution for C. I believe this chart is an exercise, more than a straight ahead 12 bar blues, or rhythm changes, etc., designed to give you ideas on how to play around different changes in a melody. It's a great learning tool

[Stuart Legg]

Jan the chords are a serious indeavor for Bebop Blues.
You have to think in terms of modulating in each bar.
/Cmaj7, Cmaj7/Bm7b5, E7b9/ Am7 , D7 / Gm7 C7 /


/ ii . V . / i
/Bm7b5,E7b9/Am7

/ ii . V . / i
/Am7,D7/Gm7

/ ii . V . / I
/Gm7,C7/ F

Below the same 4 bars are show 3 times to give you some idea how the thinking progressed to justify this Modulating II V theory are as I like to refer to them as cells within the key since we are not really modulating.

[Stuart Legg]

Here is the bass line. It sounds go if you can play the bass line as the low note in each chord

[Jan Viljoen]

Zlowly, zlowly catch'm jazz monkey.

Thankz Stuart, it helpz.

Do you know anything about the bookz I mentioned?



By the way, who is the bloke that tunes his pedal steel up in the presence of other jazz players without playing any country chords?
That bloke must have anticipational emotional intelligence.

Let the gamez begin!

[Bo Legg]

Jan I don't think Stuart has ever had a Mel Bay Jazz book of any kind to my knowledge but I use to have two real old Jazz books and may have Them still in storage.
The first book had a lot of good chord substitutions but the second book was more about melodies and I didn't get a lot out of it.
So if they are the same books the first book is great as far as it goes.

[Bo Legg]

Stuart's not available so he ask me to post this for him.
If you will look real close at the tab Stuart posted of the chords with the bass line you will see that one man’s Bm7b5
is another mans F a C7b9 is an Fdim, a Am7 is a C and a D9 is a C(b5) and a Gm7 a Csus.

[Jan Viljoen]

I also found this old thread about improvising.
Very informative.


http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... zz&start=0

[steve takacs]

Superb work , Stuart. Much appreciated. steve t