Ending

Ken Lang · Post by **Ken Lang** » 24 Jul 2011 10:58 am

BIAB 2011. I'm looking for the process to end a song, the typical C$W ending on the 3 beat, with a ring out for a couple of measures. I suppose it's been mentioned here before, but I can't seem to find it.

OK. Found that, thanks to Andy, but I'm also using real band, and the steel plays past the ending, because I ave one more beat for the ending to ring out.
How do I kill the steel notes/

Robert Tripp · Post by **Robert Tripp** » 25 Jul 2011 6:29 am

Ken,

In Real band, you can highlight the steel part that you want to edit, and go to edit/audio effects/ gain/ fade out. You can cut is off as well if you want and then fade it earlier.

Ken Lang · Post by **Ken Lang** » 25 Jul 2011 3:52 pm

I will give that a try. I read on the internet it could be deleted by going to the notation mode, but that doesn't seem to work. I am dealing with a part generated by BIAB, so I assume I would then need to replay rather than regenerate the song after I take the last bar out.

Robert Tripp · Post by **Robert Tripp** » 25 Jul 2011 5:32 pm

I don't think you would have to regenerate, all you are doing is editing an audio part that is already there.

rob

Ken Lang · Post by **Ken Lang** » 26 Jul 2011 5:06 pm

Not having much luck. What I'd like to do is delete the real track notes a measure or two before the song ends. Using the edit mode I can delete or play with measures, but not individual real track notes. Is that even possible?

Robert Tripp · Post by **Robert Tripp** » 26 Jul 2011 7:34 pm

If you are using real band, each track will show a wave form for the realtrack instrument. By highlighting it you can cut or edit each wav segment.

You can send me the file and let me see what it looks like maybe I can help you.

Rob

Ken Lang · Post by **Ken Lang** » 27 Jul 2011 3:20 pm

This may be my problem. I wrote the chords using BIAB, not real band. Drum track is RP-TRIP STY which I got from Bob and added to sty section. I then went to melody and soloist and added a real track fiddle and steel. The ending is (key of G) GGG... and last meas. G. on beat 3. Problem is song stops at beat 3 but real instruments play thru G. and meas beyond.
I need the real instruments to stop playing so the rest of the song can ring out to end.
Hope that's confusing enough. If in the future I need to start in real tracks I can do that.

Jim Eaton · Post by **Jim Eaton** » 27 Jul 2011 3:38 pm

Ken,
You should be able to "import/open" your BIAB song in Real Band and it will generate the real tracks for what you did in BIAB and then you can edit any of the tracks that are running over your ending point.
JE:-)>

Ken Lang · Post by **Ken Lang** » 28 Jul 2011 7:13 am

Yes. I can and have imported the song into real band. My problem is getting into the notes or wave file to edit them. How do you do that?

Robert Tripp · Post by **Robert Tripp** » 28 Jul 2011 7:22 am

You cant really get to an individual note in a wav file with real band. You'd have to use a program like Melodyne or something to do that. You can send me the file if you want and I'll see if I can help you, just tell me exactly what you want to do and when I see the file I'll know if it can be done.

You can also post it on box.net or some other hosting site and I can download it after you send me a link.

Rob

Jim Eaton · Post by **Jim Eaton** » 28 Jul 2011 7:30 am

Ken,
In Real Band in the "Tracks" window. You should see all of the tracks in your song as "wave-form" graphics. Select the track that is playing past your ending point so it is the active track.
You should then be able to "select/highlight" just the last few beats of the track that are playing past the ending point you want to use and simply delete them.
JE:-)>

Andy Sandoval · Post by **Andy Sandoval** » 28 Jul 2011 9:32 am

Jim Eaton wrote:Ken,
In Real Band in the "Tracks" window. You should see all of the tracks in your song as "wave-form" graphics. Select the track that is playing past your ending point so it is the active track.
You should then be able to "select/highlight" just the last few beats of the track that are playing past the ending point you want to use and simply delete them.
JE:-)>

Or even have that track fade out.

Jim Eaton · Post by **Jim Eaton** » 28 Jul 2011 9:39 am

To have that track fade out, you would have to "record a fader move" in the mixer window if I remember correctly.
JE:-)>

Robert Tripp · Post by **Robert Tripp** » 28 Jul 2011 11:36 am

Actually Jim, you can highlight the part you want to fade in or out then go to edit / audio effects / gain / and select fade out or do a variable fade.

Audio effects gives you lots of control.

Ken Lang · Post by **Ken Lang** » 28 Jul 2011 12:10 pm

OK. Thanks. I'm giving that a try, that is editing the last note, or notes. See if I can get that right.

Got it. I was able thru the track pane, to delete the notes going beyond the end. Thanks guys for the help.

I've been away from BIAB and Real Band for about 6 months and need some refreshing. Thanks again.
Ken

Jim Eaton · Post by **Jim Eaton** » 29 Jul 2011 7:13 am

Robert,
Thanks for the "head's up" on the use of Audio effects. I will have to check it out for myself.
It's a classic case of the shoemakers children running around barefoot in my case as I'm sure that is documented in the manual if ONLY I had got that far into reading it.
My "day job" is with a software company that produces CAD/CAM software for CNC Mill & Lathes and we are always having to tell our customers to RTFM! (read-the-freakin-manual)LOL

JE:-)>

Robert Tripp · Post by **Robert Tripp** » 29 Jul 2011 9:54 am

NP Jim, it's a learning process for sure. The audio edits are a lifesaver.

Rob

Ken Lang · Post by **Ken Lang** » 1 Aug 2011 3:25 pm

I'm at my home for the summer in NY State. My BIAB manual is at my home in LA. One more question.

In real band, can I set a real band instrument to play for only x bars, like a lead fiddle, and then use a background fiddle for others? All in the melody or the soloist track?

Jim Eaton · Post by **Jim Eaton** » 1 Aug 2011 3:35 pm

Ken,
Off the top of my head, I'd say to generate a track of "lead/solo" fiddle and a 2nd track of "backgroud fiddle" in the tracks window. Then delete the "lead" fiddle up to the point you want the solo to start and delete it after the solo is over. Then on the background fiddle track, highlight and delete that track where the "solo fiddle" is playing and you'll then have background fiddle up to the solo, the solo and then background fiddle until the end of the song. There may be a slicker way of doing this, but this will work.
JE:-)>

Robert Tripp · Post by **Robert Tripp** » 1 Aug 2011 8:22 pm

That is the simplest way to accomplish the goal without a lot of indepth instruction and editing.

Rob

Ken Lang · Post by **Ken Lang** » 2 Aug 2011 9:35 am

Thanks Jim. I had forgotten that there are other tracks available in real band. I think you are correct in what you've given me. I'll be quiet now and work with the program. Thanks all for the help.