How many of you have the G# - F# lower by itself?

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 14 Feb 2011 6:28 pm

Me. RKR. Of course, there are 2 changes on that lever for my C6th neck.

Bent Romnes · Post by **Bent Romnes** » 14 Feb 2011 6:32 pm

Dickie,
I have mine on RKL

Jonathan Cullifer · Post by **Jonathan Cullifer** » 14 Feb 2011 8:31 pm

LKV + B pedal split if I need it. My LKV lowers my 6th string to E. The B pedal splits it to F#.

Bo Borland · Post by **Bo Borland** » 14 Feb 2011 8:46 pm

IT's on my LKL along with #1 F# raise to G# and #2 Eb raise to E

Stu Schulman · Post by **Stu Schulman** » 14 Feb 2011 9:10 pm

I have it on my old Blanton on the LKR.

Brett Lanier · Post by **Brett Lanier** » 14 Feb 2011 9:47 pm

Jonathan, could you explain how your B pedal pulls the E note(sixth string) up to F#? I assume you have some extra rods?? I've never heard of this type of split... Btw I have the G# to F# pull on RL along with string 1 and 2 raises. I'd really like those changes separate though, especially when raising string 2.

Hans Holzherr · Post by **Hans Holzherr** » 15 Feb 2011 3:00 am

On RKR, the lever that also raises 1 to G# and 2 to E.

Brett, the G# to F# change DOES sometimes interfere with the 2nd string raise, doesn't it? I am referring to the case in which the second string is lowered to D and should remain so when the 6th string is lowered, too. It just occurred to me that the conflict can probably be avoided by making the 2nd string lower override the raise by adding a raise pull rod to the bellcrank that lowers the second string. Then, the 2nd string raise on my RKR lever would have no effect since the raise finger would already be engaged by the other lever, although the result of the combined raise and lower on that other lever by itself would still be a half-tone lower...

Hans

Dan Beller-McKenna · Post by **Dan Beller-McKenna** » 15 Feb 2011 3:29 am

LKR. I've been meaning to add the 1st and 2nd string raise to it for a while. Will do as soon as I get around to ordering the pull rods from Jerry F.

Dan

Brett Lanier · Post by **Brett Lanier** » 15 Feb 2011 7:00 am

Good idea Hans, but perhaps our reasons are different. I find myself using the sixth string drop less and less and the second string more and more, therefore I'd kinda like all of the other strings to stay put while I have the option of incorporating any of the four notes available from string 2.

Ray Kedge · Post by **Ray Kedge** » 15 Feb 2011 7:01 am

I have it on my RKL it's part of a split Franklin pedal change with the Bs lowered on pedal 4.This allows me to just use the G# lower on it's own or in conjuction with the Bs lowered.

Brint Hannay · Post by **Brint Hannay** » 15 Feb 2011 7:14 am

I have the 6th F# lower by itself on LKR, and I use it often. (My E lowers are on RKL.) I've never had, or wanted, the 1st and 2nd string raises that are so often combined with it nowadays. There are a few changes I from time to time wish I had in my setup, but not those.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 15 Feb 2011 12:13 pm

LKL staggered front

Bill Nevins · Post by **Bill Nevins** » 15 Feb 2011 2:02 pm

I am LKL and it also drops#2 a full tone..

Larry Baker · Post by **Larry Baker** » 15 Feb 2011 3:08 pm

RKL, also raises string 1

Darvin Willhoite · Post by **Darvin Willhoite** » 15 Feb 2011 3:46 pm

I have two RKL's and have this change on the back one. I also have a half stop at G.

Jonathan Cullifer · Post by **Jonathan Cullifer** » 15 Feb 2011 5:20 pm

Brett,

The split is not tunable, but the position in the changer has something to do with it. If I don't want to do the split, I can always back out the lower to only go to F# instead of E.

Adair Torres · Post by **Adair Torres** » 15 Feb 2011 5:44 pm

On my Derby, My Emmons and My Zum...
On RKR, the lever that also raises 1 to G# and 2 to E.
There are 2 changes on that lever for my C6th necks.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 15 Feb 2011 9:32 pm

As a lot of players do, I ordered my Carter with the 1st string G#, 2nd string E and 6th string to F# change on the same lever, my RKR. But I also have my C6th pedal 7 (string 3 to D, string 4 to B) on the same lever. It was a little too hard for me, so I got rid of my B to Bb lever and moved the 1st and 2nd string raises to my 2nd LKL. This would eliminate the problem listed above about using the 2nd string with the 6th string lower.

Brett, the G# to F# change DOES sometimes interfere with the 2nd string raise, doesn't it? I am referring to the case in which the second string is lowered to D and should remain so when the 6th string is lowered, too.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 17 Feb 2011 9:17 am

'74 ShoBud S-10, 3&6. Work done by Ricky;

Nickle E9th----P1----P 2-----P 3-----LKL1----LKL2----LKV-----LKR-----RKL-----RKR
.013p-- F#-------------------------------------------------------G/G#
.015p---D#--------------------------------------------------------E-------D
.012p---G#----------- A
.014p---E---------------------F#-------F-------------------------------------------Eb
.018p---B------C#------------C#------------------------Bb/A
.022p---G#------------A-------------------------F#
.026w-- F#-------------------------------------------------------G/G#
.030w---E------------------------------F--------------------------------------------Eb
.034w---D------------------------------------------------------------------C#
.038w---B------C#---------------------------------------Bb/A

Billy Wilson · Post by **Billy Wilson** » 17 Feb 2011 9:46 am

Charles Kurck · Post by **Charles Kurck** » 20 Feb 2011 8:08 am

I lower G# to F# on string 10 and raise G# to A# on string 6 using pedal 4.
I play U10 so I don’t have a D note on string 9.
Combining this change with lowering the E’s to D# gives a nice strumable B Major Seventh Chord.

Bma7

.4. D#
.5. B
.6. A#
.7. F#
.8. D#
.9. B
10. F#

Butch Pytko · Post by **Butch Pytko** » 20 Feb 2011 8:25 am

Dickie,
I have thought of doing just that for some time. I have the 6th G# to F#, 2nd Eb to E, 1st F# to G#, & 3rd C to B on C6th, on my RKR. RKR is pulling 4 strings & what I've noticed for quite a while is the 6th string is the most out-of-tune of all the strings being pulled. I've known of players splitting-off the G# to F# & putting it on a separate knee lever. I would position it as a staggered knee lever. The reasoning behind it would be the string stays more in tune, hopefully, if it is isolated by itself. But, I've had a sort-of inner conflict about whether to utilize an extra single knee lever for one pull. All this time I've been kind-of living with the most out-of-tune issue with the 6th string, because it seems only occasionally that I can detect an out-of-tune problem by ear. However, because of the ultra sensitivity of the electronic tuner, it does show the most out-of-tune state of the 6th string.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 20 Feb 2011 8:31 am

Butch,
That's why I have it on the "inside" LKL. It also stays in tune for the 7th chord with the A and B pedals.

Paddy Long · Post by **Paddy Long** » 20 Feb 2011 4:33 pm

I have it separately on my LKL-front staggered knee, with a split G... it also raises string 1 to G. I also have it on the standard Franklin pedal.