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David Beckner · Post by **David Beckner** » 11 Jun 2010 10:02 pm

I have gone back and forth over this post with a fine tooth comb and must digress somewhat....What was thought of as 'flaming' has turned out to be speculation...not knowing can soetime get you in hot water.......Apolgies have been made to Mickey ...As stated at the very beginning of this post he was not meant to be singled out in any way....
Joseph Barcus ..I have never seen anything about your book posted no where ..The $14.99 or so price seems awfully fair to me and is definately worth looking into...
I understand it takes an amount of investment to play but sometimes I look at cost and scatch my head and wonder what makes their $150. course any different than some one elses $60 course...
Last but not least I apologize to anyone else that may read this and think I dont appreciate the help....This post was never started with that intention in mind...

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 11 Jun 2010 10:05 pm

David Beckner wrote:this has become no more than a glorified chat room...Gone are days of old when you asked a question and got a helpful answer - now a person asks a question and has to be ridiculed for his lack of knowledge..

David, you have a real knack for saying things in a way that's virtually guaranteed to generate negative backlash - the very thing you are railing against. Instead of complaining, why don't you become one of the people who gives helpful answers? You had a bad experience with a few members when you first joined, and you're never going to let us forget it. $:\$ You rarely mention the good things that members of the forum have done for you. (If there aren't any, why do you keep coming back?)

I normally wouldn't post something like this publicly, but your public accusations require a public response. There's an old saying: "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."

David Beckner · Post by **David Beckner** » 11 Jun 2010 10:20 pm

b0b.. I will take helping to heart..I guess I owe you an apology as well...You are right I did have a lot of negativity and maybe I just havent quite gotten over it..being too quick to judge has been one of my great downfalls...
Not knowing what to look for and how to dissect an answer has also led to confusion and frustration on my part as well..

Post by **Dave Mudgett** » 12 Jun 2010 12:56 am

A short audio clip from "Groundhog Day" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYGnNFYxdp8

You know, some guys would look at this glass, and they would say, "That glass is half empty. "

Other guys would say, "That glass is half full. "

I peg you as a "glass is half empty" kind of guy. Am I right?

Expectations can be a bit of a double-edged sword. If you ('editorial' you) consistently expect nothing, you may never be disappointed, but you may frequently get nothing. But if you consistently expect too much, you're likely to be frequently disappointed and I think many people will develop an attitude about you. I personally think that if you 'go with it' more, you'll find many people here to be very helpful. My opinion, but that has certainly been my experience here.

Rick Campbell · Post by **Rick Campbell** » 12 Jun 2010 8:04 am

What a mess this has turned into. Go back and read David's original post. In fact, read the entire first page. David could not have been any nicer and did nothing but praise all the video instructors. He, Mickey, and others had a respectable, productive discussion going. People were advising him on improving his Internet connection and how to download the videos, etc... It was only when other people got involved and seemed to try and pick a fight that things got nasty. When he saw that his comments we're not being interpted as he intended, he asked for the thread to be closed, but it was not. Why can't people just get along and not view every difference of opinion as a personal attack? It's not that way in real life, so why does it have to be that way here? And you wonder why a lot of people don't participate in the forum???

I took the time to go back and read a lot of David's past post. I found a lot of examples where he offered his help and advice to people with questions about upolstery materials, guitar repair, sympathy toward storm victims, etc... things he obviously knows something about. Yes, some of his responses here might have been a little strong, (and he's apolgized for that) To pass judgement on him over this thread alone is not fair to him. I think everyone should put it behind us and move on to more important things. There's so much more useful topics on the forum. My opinion anyway.

FWIW: In today's world of videos being so easy to produce and distribute, YouTube, etc.... for my use, tab seems to be a primitive option to learning steel licks. Mickey, William, etc... have proven this to me.

Glenn Austin · Post by **Glenn Austin** » 12 Jun 2010 8:56 am

The fact of the matter is that there has never been a better time than now, for getting free information on the steel guitar, whether it's tab or video lessons. This site for one, is a gold mine of information. One just needs to look around a little. The tablature section is a good place to start. There is more there than I will ever be able to digest in my lifetime! and a big Thank You to all the contributors that make it possible.

Chuck Thompson · Post by **Chuck Thompson** » 12 Jun 2010 9:26 am

Glenn, well said way to turn this thread into something positive. Gregg Cutshaw, Dick Sexton, Frank Freniere, Ricky Davis, Mickey Adams. The list is endless. An absolute gold mine of info on tab and video and thats not even mentioning the other sections.

Lee Baucum · Post by **Lee Baucum** » 12 Jun 2010 10:45 am

Rick - This may be a mess, but I believe David created it. Mickey has worked his rear end off producing all of his videos and putting together his book. Then David makes this comment:

Mickey I mean no offense but I have seen your book and if anymore than $20.00 was put into this - you was robbed..I could not believe that it would be priced at $100 ....

I guess Mickey's time and talent have no value and he should be selling his book for the cost of the materials only.

David Beckner · Post by **David Beckner** » 12 Jun 2010 11:04 am

...I guess Mickey's time and talent have no value and he should be selling his book for the cost of the materials only..

NEVER has anyones talent been questioned...Neither has the VALUE of time....

Also at no given point or time have I ever said 'sell for costs'
THere are many people who feel like if Mr.Big puts out a book or video it has to be worth more than 'John Player's ' because of their social status..I for one am a believer everyone is equal...what I am saying is dont doubt a person's ability based only on the status of that person....You might be surprised at the amount of 'closet pickers' who can play circles around Mr. Pro...but who have gotten no where due to lack of proper funding or help....

David Beckner · Post by **David Beckner** » 12 Jun 2010 11:20 am

Rick.. Thank You for the kind words...It seems that my ability has been questioned alot.. I offered Chuck a copy of the song he requested but was turned down..Questioning the authenticity of wether or not I wrote this...I tried to help but got the door slammed in my face.

Bent Romnes · Post by **Bent Romnes** » 12 Jun 2010 11:25 am

David, careful. I can see this starting all over again with your second last post. I think the subject has been worn out by now. A lot of us, including me, tore into you and set you straight. You, in turn, admitted that you had been off the mark by writing what you did about Mickey et al. You apologized to Mickey and let that be known on the thread. Kudos to you for coming clean. Remember in the future to weigh your words a lot more carefully before you commit them to this forum. Getting along means for everybody to try, including you and I.
I hate to see you digging your own grave and sticking your foot in your mouth time and again. Try and mellow down a bit.
Everybody on this forum are friends and so willing to help each other. This will be proven to you also, as soon as you open your eyes and give people a chance.

You and I have sort of established a rapport of sorts. I am sure that you will understand that I talk to you this way.

The subject has been hashed out and there is no need for regurgitating old differences. I hope you will ask b0b to close this.
take care my friend
Bent

David Beckner · Post by **David Beckner** » 12 Jun 2010 11:39 am

Bent .. I was not trying to dig up skeletons to come alive again...I thanked Rick for the kindness and tried to show an example of what happens when I try to help...
You are right You and I have struck a friendship of sorts and I will never forget your help..

Rick Campbell · Post by **Rick Campbell** » 12 Jun 2010 12:36 pm

Lee Baucum wrote:Rick - Mickey has worked his rear end off producing all of his videos and putting together his book.

Lee,

No doubt about that. I just finished my Band In A Box Made Easy DVD project a few weeks ago. 1:15 of video took me hours and hours to complete with the planning, retakes, editing, etc.... I tried to eliminate any judgemental comments on the value up front by offering a money back guarantee for the DVD. If it's not worth the $20 price to you, then send it back for a refund. No refund request thus far. We've got a lot of good people here. I hate it when a chain of events causes feelings to get hurt unintentionally. Eventually, people become so sensitive to it that it puts a damper on healthy discussions for fear of being misunderstood and critized for it. That's all I've got to say about it.

David Beckner · Post by **David Beckner** » 12 Jun 2010 1:40 pm

I think at one time or another we all can look back and say we learn from mistakes..Maybe my mistake was posting this to start with..It was never meant to start a war of who's 'idol' or 'hero' is better than any one elses...I feel like I said all there needs to be said from my vantage point..Therefore I am resigning this post either to be closed by administration -or you can fight amongst yourselves.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 13 Jun 2010 1:09 am

Wow!! This is unbelievable. First off, let me say that this is not aimed at every "newbie" player. Some of you are level headed and appreciate every tidbit of info you can get here. I have seen in the past where new players bitch about the lack of help that they EXPECT us experienced players to give them. We don't have an obligation to help anyone. We do it because we care about the survival of our instrument. I'd hate to think of these new players if it were 30 years ago. We had no YouTube, Steel Guitar Forum, DVD's and very little instructional material. We learned by sitting down with a record and figuring out the licks, or watching TV shows like Hee Haw or the Wilburn Brothers, hoping to catch a glimpse of the steel player, or going to see a player at a local club (obviously a rare thing nowadays). I say, if you think you are being ripped off by the cost of instructional materials, sit your ass down with a CD player and figure the stuff out for yourselves. It worked for us, it can work for you too. If you can't, maybe the steel guitar is not the right instrument for you.

William Litaker · Post by **William Litaker** » 13 Jun 2010 5:59 am

David , If you will give me your address I will send you my new Beginner DVD Course. It is for the player that is just starting out.
Part 1 I cover tuning and right hand technique.
Part 2 This is chords and string combos.
Part 3 This part is scales and Intros using the scales you just learned.

You can go to my website to see more about it.

I hope this will help you David. I will send it free of charge.

I try not to forget the players just starting out.

David Beckner · Post by **David Beckner** » 13 Jun 2010 9:21 am

William I have tons of material ..This thread wasnt about free stuff and wasnt meant to point out me in general.... Thanks for the support...See anyone looking for a great starter package mine is now for sale.

Paul Sutherland · Post by **Paul Sutherland** » 13 Jun 2010 10:45 am

David Beckner said: "See anyone looking for a great starter package mine is now for sale."

NOW I GET IT!! You are trying to sell your own instructional materials, so you are trying to run down the competition.

You have been disparaging people who provide YouTube lessons for free because they don't provide Tab to accompany the lessons. And you have made bizarre statements about other instructors selling their materials for prices you thought were too high because they think they are better than you.

I didn't see the connection until you made the above statement, and then I checked the For Sale instruction section of the forum and saw your posting of instructional materials for sale.

Am I wrong? Can you say HYPOCRITE!!

David Beckner · Post by **David Beckner** » 13 Jun 2010 12:27 pm

Can you say HYPOCRITE!!

I actually made a step up the ladder

Bent Romnes · Post by **Bent Romnes** » 14 Jun 2010 7:23 am

Oh no, David, it usually don't get deleted. The best you can ask for is for b0b to close this.
I am saddened to see how you continually stick your foot in your mouth and always come back for more punishment. One would think you would learn, but you keep doing it to yourself time and again.

Please, for your own sake, man: Eat some humble pie and try a new start.
And don't be so gullible as to let someone egg you on and tell you what to write. The whole thing is clear to me now. Start being your own man.

Chris LeDrew · Post by **Chris LeDrew** » 14 Jun 2010 7:40 am

Yes, and running down the steel forum, its creator, and several members on another chat room won't exactly help either:

http://steelguitars.yuku.com/topic/157/ ... ml?page=-1