B+C minor chord question

Paul Sutherland · Post by **Paul Sutherland** » 15 Mar 2010 3:43 pm

Here is the YouTube link to the video I made today. This is only the first half of what I recorded. When I figure out how to do it, I'll post the second half.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5AC3qb1K0s

Have fun. Paul

Jesse Leite · Post by **Jesse Leite** » 15 Mar 2010 4:35 pm

Very cool thank you so much! Great video! Look forward to the second part you speak of!

I just realized that the same harmonized scale is demonstrated in the book "Pedal Steel Guitar" by WInnie Winston and Bill Keith (except the VII diminished is played differently in the book). The difference I've spoken about is that when playing in the key of E for example, the book says to play at fret 9 with B+C engaged. It does this instead of using the knee lever like you've shown Paul. However, this still works in the book because it only tells you to play strings 3 and 4; so playing at 9th fret with B+C engaged would give you the root and the minor 3rd, which exists in the diminished chord. THEREFORE, this method works for strings 3 and 4 only, but if you want to play strings 5 or 6 like Paul has shown, then you would have to use the knee lever to get the actual diminished chord using the knee lever. Hopefully that wasn't too confusing... please correct me if I am wrong about all this!

Terry Hickey · Post by **Terry Hickey** » 15 Mar 2010 4:48 pm

Paul,
How great it is to take the time to post this video. It's helped me alot with some new ideas on playing. This is a great forum and is filled with people simply trying to help others learn.

Thanks again, Terry

Dick Sexton · Post by **Dick Sexton** » 15 Mar 2010 5:49 pm

Yes, well done, Paul.

Paul Sutherland · Post by **Paul Sutherland** » 15 Mar 2010 7:22 pm

I was finally able to get the second part of the video on use of the B & C Pedals uploaded to YouTube, but the audio is not in sync to the video for some unknown reason. Hopefully it is still understandable. Here's the link.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=spj4136YIDE

Bent Romnes · Post by **Bent Romnes** » 15 Mar 2010 7:45 pm

Paul that was a great bit of teaching in those 2 videos.
You have the knack about making it understandable. One teacher came to mind when I was watching you: Jeff Newman. I hope you have time to do more.

Bent

Reed Ohrbom · Post by **Reed Ohrbom** » 15 Mar 2010 7:57 pm

Paul; Thank You Very Much for posting your videos on the B and C Pedals, for us beginners.

PLEASE DO NOT think I am being ungrateful, but the out of sync aspect on the second video really throws me off, and makes it harder to absorb the techniques. Are there any Forumites who could give Paul an assist on how to repost his second video to make the sound and video be in sync??

Again; Thank You Paul for your efforts, Reed

Brian McGaughey · Post by **Brian McGaughey** » 15 Mar 2010 8:17 pm

Paul, you're offering up gold with your BC videos. Thank you so much. I can't believe I've overlooked playing a harmonized scale like that. Great!

Jesse, you'll do well 'cause you're a thinkin' man!

Jesse Leite · Post by **Jesse Leite** » 15 Mar 2010 8:40 pm

Thank you for the kind words Brian.

Paul that 2nd video was great! I will have lots to work on between the two videos you put up. You are a very generous man!!! Thank you again!

Paul Sutherland · Post by **Paul Sutherland** » 15 Mar 2010 9:50 pm

I am pleased that the video is helpful. I might take another shot at the material in the second part, but I can't get to it til probably Thursday or Friday. It's relatively easy to make the video. I get bogged down in the uploading, but perhaps I'm learning that.

I played steel for about 5 years without really understanding the B & C pedals. Then I attended Jeff Newman's College in Nashville. That's when the light came on. I'm just regurgitating what Jeff taught me. He was a Hell of a player and teacher. I am not in his class, but nevertheless, I appreciate your comment Bent. Plus, I'm a sucker for a baby.

Dick Sexton · Post by **Dick Sexton** » 16 Mar 2010 5:44 am

Paul, again, great stuff. Your yanking be out of my comfort zone. A very good thing. Thank you.

You might think about your own thread on this subject. "Exploring the B & C pedal connection"

I'd try tabbing some of it out for you...

Bent Romnes · Post by **Bent Romnes** » 16 Mar 2010 6:38 am

Paul Sutherland wrote: I'm just regurgitating what Jeff taught me. He was a Hell of a player and teacher. I am not in his class, but nevertheless, I appreciate your comment Bent. Plus, I'm a sucker for a baby.

Paul, I knew it. I can tell you that Jeff's way of teaching has sunk into you. You can be proud of your accomplishment and that you stuck to his methods and obviously passing on his style. I am envious that you picked up so much more than I did at Jeff's school. I attended the intermediate class in Feb of 1978.
I have had 2 favorite teachers in my life.One was a High School English teacher. The other one was Jeff. Top notch, both of them.

Yeah, Jesse's little guy is a winner let me tell you. Jesse and his wife brought him around at Christmas time. Just a neat little guy.

Jesse Leite · Post by **Jesse Leite** » 16 Mar 2010 6:56 am

Bent Romnes wrote:Yeah, Jesse's little guy is a winner let me tell you.

I sure think so, but I'm very biased!

Paul Sutherland wrote:I am pleased that the video is helpful. I might take another shot at the material in the second part, but I can't get to it til probably Thursday or Friday. It's relatively easy to make the video. I get bogged down in the uploading, but perhaps I'm learning that.

I don't blame you, I am not very good with video stuff. No rush about re-uploading the video as I learned everything I needed to learn from the two you put up; they were perfect! The B+C pedals seemed to just sit there, and now I know I'll use them. Bent is right, you have a knack for teaching... so thank you once again for your help!

Paul Sutherland wrote:(on jeff newman) ...I am not in his class, but nevertheless, I appreciate...

I also just watched the other two videos you posted on youtube a little while ago, and you are one hell of a player. I could only hope to have chops and style like that one day

PS. For all you who've been interested in this B+C thing... to help me learn all these chords in all available positions within a given key, I've been making myself a diatonic chord chart. I'd love to get your comments on it, so I started a thread here: http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=179876

Jim Pitman · Post by **Jim Pitman** » 16 Mar 2010 9:12 am

Jessie,

Is that some sort of finger picking enhancement device on your lap?..........cute kid seriously.

Keith Schuler · Post by **Keith Schuler** » 16 Mar 2010 10:24 am

Everyone that plays steel guitar, with or without pedals, was a novice at one time & we all advanced as best as we could as time passed. Now thanks to the Forum & other sites it is more easy to advance than it has been in the past.

As in this thread, so many players are willing to share their skills & knowledge with others, for the sake of learning to play this instrument

There is a huge and excellent site maintained by one of the SG Forum members, Greg Cutshaw; than has a wealth of information for up & coming steelers.
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/

Out of the numerous number of pages of info for playing pedal steel, 'page 11' is dedicated entirely to the use of the 'C' pedal. http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab11.html

Other examples for using the 'C' pedal are available on Greg's site, but you'll just have to find them as you go through the other pages, as these are just mixed in.

When it comes to learning this instrument, other than the Forum itself, Greg's site is one of the best on the Internet that is dedicated to steel guitar. I extend a large Thank You to Greg for posting all of this info.

Jesse Leite · Post by **Jesse Leite** » 16 Mar 2010 4:36 pm

Jim Pitman wrote:Jessie, Is that some sort of finger picking enhancement device on your lap?..........cute kid seriously.

Thank you! He's not a pedal steel "enhancement", he's the pedal steel "player"

...wouldn't that be cool if he was interested in steel one day eh?! Right now he's taking a liking to piano though, probably because he can pound on the keys.

Also thanks for the link Keith. I will definitely check out Greg's website.

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