C6th voicing on the E9th neck questions???????

[Gary Arnold]

I am trying to incorparate some C6th voicing in my E9th playing, can I get some input. I know you can lower the E's two frets down from pedals down position for the (1) chord but what about the 4 & 5 chords. I read Jeff Newmans "The Swingin E9th" and I use the info there but I wanted some direction from some more sources, THANKS. gary

[Roger Shackelton]

HI GARY,

At the top of the page click on links and then click on copedants and you will find: Thijs Kappen's 10-string universal tuning.

It depends on how much you will want to modify your S-10 PSG ???

ROGER

[Chuck Thompson]

hi Gary, these guys all have some good stuff at a good price for C6th on E9th. - Rick Kornacker http://steppingstonemusic.com/WhatsNew.html Jody Cameron: emmonsd10@yahoo.com http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... highlight= and Don Curtis at Scotty's music: http://www.scottysmusic.com/instrcto3.htm

[Chuck Thompson]

gary, i posted something in the tab section the other day that uses a couple of tiny bits from the sources above. it has a bit of a C6thish thing going on. http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=170616

[Dick Sexton]

Gary you might want to have a look at this... http://cid-594320d13092d8fb.skydrive.li ... lown%20Tab

[J D Sauser]

Understanding both tunings and setups.

E9th does not relate to C6th, which at times blurres the image, as some changes indeed are duplicates and some are present somewhere else so, much of each is present in both basic tunings directly or by looking around.
On E9th, the 9th string "D" really is what breaks the tuning in such a way that most find it hard to recognize the similitudes to the 6th tuning.
Yet, it is that "D" note which basically does what one of the two main pedals of C6th do... in C6th, creating a IV7th over the reference fret.
Unless, you'd have a middle F#-to-F lower (older setups had that at times) on your E9th, the only analogy to the C6th pedal which creates a II9th chord over the reference fret, would be to start off the A6th mode on E9th (A&B down) and add the E-to-Eb-lower lever... same move, same chord, same sound... just a string further into thicker and thus muddier strings.
Part of the 13th sounds found by using the 7th C6th pedal can be recreated, two string up into the thinner ones (down a good bunch of frets) by engaging only the A-pedal on the E9th... Adding the B-pedal AND the pesky "D"-string creates some M7th sounds typically associated to C6th too.
So does playing B&C with the "D" string fool many into believing one has some fancy changes on C6th.
Not to mention that the B-to-Bb-lower lever on your E9th is the exact same as your C-to-B-lower on your C6th. And that the B-pdeal does the same as the optional knee lever so many add to C6th to raise A-to-A#!
I would not say EVERYTHING is there.... but there are even things on either tuning which sound typical of the other but which are not likely present there.


I personally (and this is not a recommendation, merely maybe a suggestion if you have time to fool around with tunings and setups) have my 2nd string tuned down to C# giving me an E9/13th (I RAISE it to D and D#). I also eliminated the "D" string and have a lever (LKL) dropping my 8th string "E" to "D"... which is what the C6th pedal does. It also unlocks the B6th (E-to-Eb-lever engaged) and A6th (A&B down) sides of the setup. I have a couple of changes working the E13th side of the tuning too, as I currently seem to prefer the higher pitched sound of it. But at the end of the day, it seems that the same old changes seem to repeat again and again, just in different positions fret and string group wise.

So, bottom line is... a lot of it is there on E9th... just waiting for you to discover it.

... J-D.

[Tamara James]

I am trying to incorparate some C6th voicing in my E9th playing, can I get some input. I know you can lower the E's two frets down from pedals down position for the (1) chord but what about the 4 & 5 chords. I read Jeff Newmans "The Swingin E9th" and I use the info there but I wanted some direction from some more sources, THANKS. gary

Don Curtis has a course with tab and CD to address this very question. Contact him or maybe through Scotty's Music, item number DCC6E9. I just bought the course here in Lexington, KY. It looks like a keeper to me.

[Greg Cutshaw]

I've got a bunch of tabs on my web site that address this. Main ideas include:

Lower the E's

Pedal A and B down

Lower 9th string 1/2 tone

Use pedals 2 and 3 on strings 4,5,6,9

Use 4th string E to F#

Lower 10th string a full tone

Pedal A 1/2 way (or split tune) and pedal B

Pedal A 1/2 way (or split tune), engage pedal B and E to Eb knee (diminished)


To directly answer your question in a simple way try this:

Engage Pedals A and B at fret 3 for example. Strum strings 8,7,6,5,4,3,(1), that's your root position (C6).

Then, engage Pedal A 1/2 way or so to get a half tone raise on strings 5 and 10 while also engaging pedal B at fret 3. This will give you an instant "4" position chord.

Move the bar up 2 frets and that's a great "5" position.

Greg

[Ernest Cawby]

Hold down the B and C pedasl, on the 12 fret play 345 then 456 go down to 7th fret and play same strings, after u hit the lower strings slide down to 5th fret, back to 12, repeat all again, You hit the first groupe then 2nd groupe repeat, again, this is the song Little coquet, Verse, and you are playing almost the same notes as C6 tuning. I play this song to demonstrate C6 on E 9th. Also when you hold down A&B pedals you have certain notes in A Maj. tuning, E9th is a great tuning.

ernie

[Jim Palenscar]

Brother Herb Steiner has a number of courses available- 2 of which are entitled Swinging on E9th (2 different ones) under Products For Sale-E9 Instruction- that will help take you there.

[Gary Arnold]

Thanks every one for your replys. Gary

[Tor Arve Baroy]

I dont know a lot of theory about it, but I use a kinda "faux C6" sound on some hank williams songs...
Here is a link to a clip on youtube where I use this technique on the solo on hey good lookin`

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE81-j8srfA

...

This is mostly done with lowered E`s
At least the first part with the slide-in

[Brett Lanier]

Hi Gary,

Here's one of my favorite chords on E9 that doesn't seem to be be used very often.

(key of C) 10th fret(+ 2 position):

lower string 2 a half step(RKR)

pedal B & 1/2 press pedal A


If you leave out the 1/2 press on pedal A it will be a 6th chord (pedal A brings it up to b7)

There are already a few good 6th chords that you can get on E9th which I'm sure you learned from above, but this is a V7 chord that is out of the norm of the E9th tuning, making it sound more like the C6 tuning. Here are the scale tones.


1 - 3
2 - 1
3 - 5
4 - 9
5 - b7
6 - 5
7 - 3
8 - 9
9 - 1
10- b7

[Joseph Barcus]

if you just want to chord some C6th sound say in the key of G, go to the 8th fret and lower your E's strum strings 8,7,6,5. using your thumb on strings 8&7, and other two fingers on 6,5. now we will want to change to a C. so dont go anywhere just change strings, the pedal on C6th only changes one note so thats all you need to change as well. so lets bring the 9th string into play with your thumb play strings 10,9 and the other two fingers will remain on 7 & 6, ( do not hit string 8)this will be your 4 chord, now for the 5 chord or D chord move up two frets usung the same 10,9,7,6. make sure you always hit all 4 notes to have that C6th sound. what you are doing here is if you were on the c6th neck it uses pedal 6. so by changing between string 8 & 9 you are doing the same thing as pedal 6.

[Dale Rottacker]

I am trying to incorparate some C6th voicing in my E9th playing, can I get some input. I know you can lower the E's two frets down from pedals down position for the (1) chord but what about the 4 & 5 chords. I read Jeff Newmans "The Swingin E9th" and I use the info there but I wanted some direction from some more sources, THANKS. gary

Ran into this while looking for something else ... in 2009 when this was started, I was just starting to look for C6th sounds on E9th, and had only started lowering the 9th string 2009. NOW, I'm lowering 9 in 3 places and even raising it once.

Here are some examples of C6th sounds on E9th, some of it explained with Tab within the videos and some not. And seeing how long ago this thread was started, Gary you've probably figured all this out.

I've Got Rhythm example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Gbzm8CAW0

9th String C6ish ideas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUFr1iYoFAM

9th String Manipulation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPpZ_MUV818

Cold Cold Heart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fJn51ESqSY

Born to Lose, sort of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p8bzS_aBXg

[Paul Redmond]

Get rid of the 9th string D. Move the low B into its place. Now add a G# as the 10th string. Now you can use the A6th side of the E9th tuning for your "6th stuff" and using the standard KL's to get all your changes. Only thing it lacks is the BooWah. Been using this for about 25 years. You can get it all on 10 strings. And yes, even the "Night Life" intro.
PRR

[Paul Redmond]

Oh, and pull the 9th string B to D on a KL just like a Uni tuning.
PRR

[Norman Evans]

Like Paul said, only I lower 8 to D instead of raising 9 to D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H2jloUZzFk

[Paul Redmond]

You can get it all on 10 strings and only 3 pedals and a few KL's. I played 12-string E9/B6 Uni for years and 8 pedals and usually 7 KL's. All those extra pedals, rods, pedal rods, cross-shafts, cranks. It really adds a lot of extra pounds to the guitar. One KL I have added to a couple of my S-10's is half-pulling the B's to C. It allows you to rock off pedal 1 to drop to a minor. It also makes it quick and accurate getting a diminished chord. Playing pedals up, you can go directly to an augmented chord. The late Bob Carden taught me about that pull when I first started playing steel.
PRR

[Jim Pitman]

Listen to John Hughey's break and fills on Vince Gille's "Honey I'll Take Texas". He uses pedal 1 and 2 down to get a 6th chord and a 9. I imagine he did that to avoid getting fired for playing the 6th neck in the studio.

[K Maul]

Good one, Jim. Stay on the Kroger neck, will ya!,