"Best Band" w Mike Smith
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Jack Francis
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Like many here, I have been voting every evening, but Mike's band's votes are being affected by some late runners pushing them backwards.
Come on guys - there are lots of us on here.
Come on guys - there are lots of us on here.
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Jack Francis
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Their score went down because a few bands suddenly kicked in with massive amounts of votes, dropping everybody else's percentage of the total proportionately. Now, how they did that is another matter. I think some clever person figured out how to automate it. It wouldn't be that hard to do, if you're clever with computers.
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Dave Mudgett
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Um, my guess is that someone has just discovered that you can vote as many times as you want from a given IP address with impunity - I just tried it, it didn't stop me. Perhaps one has to disable cookies, that's the way I work except on specific sites.
As Jim alluded to, I could imagine someone writing a script that would electronically vote, let's say, a fixed (large) number of times, or perhaps just stay online and vote every x seconds. That's the only type of explanation I can see for one band going from practically nothing to 25% overnight, dropping the leader from 62% to 32%. Based on the number of votes that have clearly already been cast, that would take literally tens of thousands of votes in a pretty short time - it takes about 4 or maybe even 5 votes to go up 0.01% - so that would imply about 4/.0001 or 5/.0001 or something on the order of 40-50,000 total votes so far.
I could be wrong, but that is my guess. If true, they should probably fix their process to really prohibit voting more than once from a given IP address per day, and start it over again.
As Jim alluded to, I could imagine someone writing a script that would electronically vote, let's say, a fixed (large) number of times, or perhaps just stay online and vote every x seconds. That's the only type of explanation I can see for one band going from practically nothing to 25% overnight, dropping the leader from 62% to 32%. Based on the number of votes that have clearly already been cast, that would take literally tens of thousands of votes in a pretty short time - it takes about 4 or maybe even 5 votes to go up 0.01% - so that would imply about 4/.0001 or 5/.0001 or something on the order of 40-50,000 total votes so far.
I could be wrong, but that is my guess. If true, they should probably fix their process to really prohibit voting more than once from a given IP address per day, and start it over again.
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Jack Francis
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Miguel e Smith
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Wow...T and I just got back from some gigs outta town. When we left we were still way back from the leader but definately alone in 4th place. Several bands jumped from near zero to ahead of us (one even jumped w-a-y high...what???). So, this site's voting system is probably very flawed and that's disappointing for sure. We had quite a lot of emails from folks in our network who were a bit hot under the collar and I understand that. I know it's discouraging to see go backwards so far but maybe the slow and steady method will bring us back into contention soon. No matter what, we thank all of you for being so consistent and faithful to vote for us!! There's a little over a month left so let's see what happens
Later,
Mike
Later,
Mike
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It took 9 votes to go up 0.02%, so there are roughly 45,000 votes in there now, plus or minus a few thousand.
I intended my earlier "vote early, vote often" quip as a joke, but the way the magazine has this set up, it ain't a joke anymore. They should be doing their IP address check server-side, not client-side.
I intended my earlier "vote early, vote often" quip as a joke, but the way the magazine has this set up, it ain't a joke anymore. They should be doing their IP address check server-side, not client-side.
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Miguel e Smith
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Hey ya’ll,
I think you all know how much we appreciate your rock steady energy and commitment in voting for us in this local band contest (May God love each and every one of you…I know we do!). However, in spite of the suspicious and lob-sided number of votes several of the other groups have received from the start (or overnight in some cases), we (Mike & T) need to make sure that we’re not getting so caught-up in the race that we’re willing to take short-cuts to the finish line (regardless of what anyone else is or isn’t doing). It’s already been mentioned that there are obvious flaws in this voting procedure.When the most recent discrepancies were noticed, all of our friends here in the forum and in our extended network stepped up, got stirred up and rallied the voting (wow!!!). We were in a distant 4th place as of last week and I think we’re in a mid-distant 3rd now (wow again!!!). Ultimately, we never thought we’d fair even this well against so many established and excellent groups (who probably already have large mailing lists). I suspect that the contest folks might shut down this contest before long and re-think their processes for the next time around...who knows.
I’ll update you with any new info, but again…thank you for supporting us!
I think you all know how much we appreciate your rock steady energy and commitment in voting for us in this local band contest (May God love each and every one of you…I know we do!). However, in spite of the suspicious and lob-sided number of votes several of the other groups have received from the start (or overnight in some cases), we (Mike & T) need to make sure that we’re not getting so caught-up in the race that we’re willing to take short-cuts to the finish line (regardless of what anyone else is or isn’t doing). It’s already been mentioned that there are obvious flaws in this voting procedure.When the most recent discrepancies were noticed, all of our friends here in the forum and in our extended network stepped up, got stirred up and rallied the voting (wow!!!). We were in a distant 4th place as of last week and I think we’re in a mid-distant 3rd now (wow again!!!). Ultimately, we never thought we’d fair even this well against so many established and excellent groups (who probably already have large mailing lists). I suspect that the contest folks might shut down this contest before long and re-think their processes for the next time around...who knows.
I’ll update you with any new info, but again…thank you for supporting us!
Last edited by Miguel e Smith on 28 Oct 2009 7:35 am, edited 1 time in total.