I played the #8 Emmons PP

Larry Behm · Post by **Larry Behm** » 3 Sep 2009 8:04 pm

Russ Blake (Portland, Or) has the #8 Emmons PP, I had a chance to play 8 notes on it and heard him play for 2 hours. It is a bolt on wraparound, with wood necks. Sounded just great through a Standel SS/tube amp with a JBL 15.

Thanks Russ for some great music.

Larry Behm

Skip Edwards · Post by **Skip Edwards** » 3 Sep 2009 8:39 pm

A bolt-on wraparound? With wood necks?
Wow...

Tony Glassman · Post by **Tony Glassman** » 3 Sep 2009 9:44 pm

Larry Behm wrote:Russ Blake (Portland, Or) has the #8 Emmons PP, I had a chance to play 8 notes on it and heard him play for 2 hours. It is a bolt on wraparound, with wood necks. Sounded just great through a Standel SS/tube amp with a JBL 15.

Thanks Russ for some great music.

Larry Bem

Larry, I hesitate to bring this up, but you misspelled your own last name.

Bryan Daste · Post by **Bryan Daste** » 3 Sep 2009 10:41 pm

LOL!

Ryan Barwin · Post by **Ryan Barwin** » 3 Sep 2009 10:48 pm

How can it be a bolt-on wraparound? Isn't it either a bolt-on OR a wraparound? I was under the impression that these were two separate types of P/P's?
Either way, that's very cool.

David Mullis · Post by **David Mullis** » 4 Sep 2009 3:33 am

For some reason I was thinking all wood neck push pulls are bolt on.

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 4 Sep 2009 4:48 am

I used to own that guitar. Terminology problem. It's not a wraparound, it's a wood neck with a bolt-on changer. Excellent sounding instrument.

I had too many 64-65 Emmonses that I never played and got tired of hoarding them. So I sold some stuff to a collector and bought a new bass boat, which I use much more than the gear that just sat in my living room. These things should be played by working players... anyway, it's just "stuff."

I still have my two wraparounds, which are metal neck guitars, that are my main working horns.

Jon Light (deceased) · Post by **Jon Light (deceased)** » 4 Sep 2009 4:58 am

I saved this excellent presentation a long time ago. I profusely apologize for not providing credit---I can't recall whose work this is.

Larry Behm · Post by **Larry Behm** » 4 Sep 2009 6:11 am

I stand corrected, great pictures.

Larry Behm

Peter Freiberger · Post by **Peter Freiberger** » 4 Sep 2009 7:08 am

Just curious, does a bolt-on only attach the changer to the neck or does it also screw the pieces at each end of the changer into the body on either side of the pickup, like a cut-tail? And the wrap-around only attaches the changer to the body, with no connection to the neck?

Tommy Shown · Post by **Tommy Shown** » 4 Sep 2009 7:08 am

Herb Steiner wrote:I used to own that guitar. Terminology problem. It's not a wraparound, it's a wood neck with a bolt-on changer. Excellent sounding instrument.

I had too many 64-65 Emmonses that I never played and got tired of hoarding them. So I sold some stuff to a collector and bought a new bass boat, which I use much more than the gear that just sat in my living room. These things should be played by working players... anyway, it's just "stuff."

I still have my two wraparounds, which are metal neck guitars, that are my main working horns.

Hey Herb,Let's go fishin'!!!!!!!!
I know wome places over here in Louisiana where the bass are hittin' BIG TIME

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 4 Sep 2009 11:28 pm

The reason why this guitar may be called a Wraparound Bolt-on is to distinguish it from the Bolt-ons made in late 1965 through 1967.

This #8 guitar, which I got from Herb Steiner last summer and sold to Russ last month, has a changer with the 1964 fat fingers and skinnier axles as generally found on the 1964 Wraparounds, and the changer is bolted to a wraparound neck section. The neck does not have a milled ledge for the axle pillows as found on the 1966-1967 Bolt-ons and the 1970s wood neck Bolt-ons. Compare the photos -- the newer Bolt-ons have bigger axle pillows to hold the larger diameter axles and to raise the strings to the correct height because there is a milled ledge in the neck insert. See how Emmons #8 has no milled ledge for the axle pillows? See #8s fat fingers with no washers?
Wood necks were an option on Emmons guitars in the 1964 brochure.
The only 1964 Emmons I know of with a full cast aluminum Wraparound neck and a Bolt-on changer is #14.

Jay Ganz · Post by **Jay Ganz** » 5 Sep 2009 5:25 am

Jon Light wrote:I saved this excellent presentation a long time ago. I profusely apologize for not providing credit---I can't recall whose work this is.

Those would be my P/P's Jon. I posted those pics awhile back. Any pics of the bass boat Herb?

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 5 Sep 2009 10:38 am

Jay
Here ya go...

It's a Skeeter SX190, 18'6" with a 150 Yamaha V-Max, running a 23M prop. I got it up to 56.5 on the GPS at 5400 rpms with me only and a half tank of gas, but that's as fast as I want to go anyway. I'm in St.Louis now but I'll post a better photo when I get back home.

Chris Bauer · Post by **Chris Bauer** » 5 Sep 2009 11:47 am

Herb - Can you post sound clips?

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 5 Sep 2009 2:46 pm

Sound clips

Chris, just to get this thread back onto a music topic, I'll quote Daryl Hall and John Oates... "No can do."

Scott Hay · Post by **Scott Hay** » 5 Sep 2009 11:23 pm

I don't think we need sound clips of Herb's boat - looks like it has a Push Pull trailer with a bolt on hitch - so we don't need proof, it has to sound good, right?

Hi Larry! See ya on the 18th.

Larry Behm · Post by **Larry Behm** » 6 Sep 2009 7:19 am

I hate to high jack my own thread but Scott your Green Bud looks like a million bucks.

Larry Behm

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 6 Sep 2009 1:32 pm

Scott
The trailer is all-pull. Except when I'm backing the boat into the lake, of course.

Jay Jessup · Post by **Jay Jessup** » 7 Sep 2009 9:42 am

OK since you guys are joking around, did anyone notice that in Larry's picture it seems this old Emmons is being run through a Sho-Bud volume pedal! Would this have Ron Sr (and maybe Shot to for that matter?) turning in his grave??

Shorty Smith · Post by **Shorty Smith** » 8 Sep 2009 7:51 am

I have a 1973 Emmons cut tail, what is the difference in this one and a bolt on??

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 8 Sep 2009 8:32 am

what is the difference in this one and a bolt on??

The bolts

Jeff Evans · Post by **Jeff Evans** » 8 Sep 2009 9:23 am

Quote:
what is the difference in this one and a bolt on??

The bolts

And about $1200.

Shorty Smith · Post by **Shorty Smith** » 8 Sep 2009 10:43 am

Why would there be a price difference between the cut tail and bolt on, Shorty

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 8 Sep 2009 10:54 am

yeah shorty...look at the pictures of the changers closely for the difference.
and i don't get jeff's price difference either.

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