Question.. Teenage kids listening to Satanic Music?

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 27 Apr 2008 8:23 am

Love your kids with all your heart.

Teach them to be decent people during their lives with you.

Teach them to think for themselves, and support that.
Because THAT is what will, in the end,
save them from BAD influence.

Expect them to grow up different than you.
Let them. They will anyway, why fight it.

David M. Cogent thoughts as usual.

Edward Meisse · Post by **Edward Meisse** » 27 Apr 2008 9:06 am

I expect they would be a formidable army bent on destroying society when they got out at 26.

That struck me as funny. Exteme understatement done in appearant deadpan is a very effective comedic tool.

Cass Broadview · Post by **Cass Broadview** » 27 Apr 2008 11:01 am

I agree 100% with Fred Malone. You figure in drugs, booze, satanic devil music, and you have the perfect recipe for mind control. There are i believe subliminal messages in this filth, same with some of those MTV music videos. Our young people have enough issues to deal with, then to add trash music to the mix. Through the years i have destroyed many of my daughters and her friends cd's. I would not allow trash in the house. I watched very closely the things they listened to and watched. Not speaking of hip hop, or R&B, or top 40. I'm speaking of devil cult filth. Why must some of this trash have explicit lyrics? Do we really want our young folks listening to this stuff at 10 years old?

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 27 Apr 2008 11:17 am

Cass if you have specific examples please list a few.

Scott Shipley · Post by **Scott Shipley** » 27 Apr 2008 12:03 pm

Charles Davidson wrote:...."But can't ever remember Cash,Jimmy Davis,etc ever did songs that glorified,incest,rape,denigrate women,It's ok to murder police,If your parents disciple you,then just kill them,There are so many kids hearing this vile crap in RAP music from the time they are babies,It DOES have an effect on [some of them].If you think not,that's ok,but you are wrong.DYKBC.

Cocaine Blues, written by TJ Arnall, first recorded by Roy Hogsed May 25, 1947, and later recorded by Merle Travis, Hank Thompson, and Johnny Cash......

"Early one mornin' while makin' the rounds
I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down
I went right home and I went to bed I stuck that lovin' 44 beneath my head"

Delia's Gone, words and music by J.R. Cash 1994......

"First time I shot her I shot her in the side
Hard to watch her suffer
But with the second shot she died
Delia's gone, one more round Delia's gone"

"High Behind Blues" written by Jimmie Davis (pre-governor days) and Buddy Jones, recorded by Mr. Davis for Victor records in February 1932.....

"When I get to Mexico Lord, gonna get me a big big brown
No matter how big she is, I’m the man who can hold her down"

If you need further reference, google a book by Ed Cray, titled "The Erotic Muse." There are examples there dating all the way back to 18th century England, none of which are reprintable here out of respect to b0b, and the ladies on the forum.

I'm not saying that the smut trend in popular music is ok, I'm just saying it ain't new.

Edward Meisse · Post by **Edward Meisse** » 27 Apr 2008 12:53 pm

I've mentioned this before in another thread. But, "Comin' Through the Rye," and ,"Did you ever see a Lassie," are the very essence of ribabldry.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 27 Apr 2008 3:25 pm

David L. Donald wrote:Of course with deaf people,
especially those who have never heard a voice,

HOW do they KNOW they are NOT hearing voices...

Believe me, there would be signs!

I imagine it must be quite hard to diagnose
a schitsophrenic deaf person. Maybe why there's so few reported. If you can't hear people coming to catch you, maybe you tend not to do things your shouldn't.

Possibly. One thing I do know for certain is that there'd be no racial problems if we were all deaf, dumb, and blind!

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 27 Apr 2008 4:36 pm

Donny Hinson wrote:
David L. Donald wrote:.... no racial problems if we were all deaf, dumb, and blind!

There probaly wouldn't be many of us at all!
Even ameaobas do it,
but they don't need to find each other.

Charles Davidson · Post by **Charles Davidson** » 27 Apr 2008 5:14 pm

OK fellows you have convinced me,All the problems with the youth today,Degrading women,rape is ok,killing cops makes you a hero with your gangster peers,Every few weeks seeing on the news where teens killing parents,grand parents for crack money,beating the hell out of their teachers,and each other,saying how COOL it is to do these things,I'm sure now all this was caused by songs sung by Cash,Jimmy Davis,etc.even though 90 percent don't have a clue you Jimmy Davis was.The RAP music they have been exposed to for the last decade has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it,I'm so wrong for even thinking such a thing.DYKBC.

Scott Shipley · Post by **Scott Shipley** » 27 Apr 2008 6:11 pm

Didn't say that Johnny Cash or JimmIE Davis caused it, just saying that the problem is not new, and is not with the music as much as it is a lack of responsibility in the listeners. Whether you choose to blame TV, radio, cd's, or the denigration (did I spell that right?) of society in general doesn't matter. Does it make it worse now because they are selling more records than they did in 1932? Wrong is wrong, and spellcheck is spellcheck. Lyrics aren't that much different. Times aren't really that much different. Society is.
Right now the voices in my head are telling me to go listen to some Flatt and Scruggs.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 27 Apr 2008 6:36 pm

Charles Davidson wrote:OK fellows you have convinced me,All the problems with the youth today,Degrading women,rape is ok,killing cops makes you a hero with your gangster peers,Every few weeks seeing on the news where teens killing parents,grand parents for crack money,beating the hell out of their teachers,and each other,saying how COOL it is to do these things,I'm sure now all this was caused by songs sung by Cash,Jimmy Davis,etc.even though 90 percent don't have a clue you Jimmy Davis was.The RAP music they have been exposed to for the last decade has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it,I'm so wrong for even thinking such a thing.DYKBC.

Charles it is caused by ignorance, stupidity, poverty, drug abuse
and no small amount of serious under-diagnosed mental illness..

The MUSIC is just reflecting the times.
Just as the music of those olden days also reflected,
often specific incidents, that the writer was aware of.

So if things are bad, do you hold a mirror up to it,
or just pretend it ain't happening.

There will ALWAYS be bad elements in society,
but if society as a whole is a good influence,
then the incidents will be minor percentages.
Just as those in the old songs.

There is more than one kind of rapper.
Many flavors.
Will Smith is a very fine rapper,
and not a negative influence, just the opposite,
but you are lumping him in with the scum too.

Gangster RAPPERS are stupid, greedy, SOB's for sure,
but it takes a stupid kid, inclined the same direction
to follow through with more stupidity.

There is much more access to ALL media,
so they have more outlets. And CD's have MUCH
longer track times than the classic 78 or 45,
so they can rant longer.

But typically their rants reflect the streets they come from.
And the one prevalent theme is
not having any power to improve life,
and not understanding what to do with it
when you grab some power back.
Be it money gotten with a gun or contraband etc.

Ignorance and helplessness lashing out at society,
in the loudest way it knows..

It would behoove us MORE to improve
the areas where this bile is prevalent,
because it is ONLY a reflection of problems in society.
It is the symptom; just because you mask the symptom,
doesn't CURE the problem.

It is not popular to address the problems of ghettos
and the lower classes in conservative circles these days.
Small government and non-interventionism are the by-words.
Look at how New Orleans has fallen off the radar.
Still got MANY in trailers or living else where.
Cleaned them out some hard hearted would say,
problem solved. yeah right.. Just moved it around,
to someone else's tax base.

Well this issue is bigger than just song lyrics.
But shoot the messenger that says you aren't winning the war.
Classic defensive policy.

Edward Meisse · Post by **Edward Meisse** » 27 Apr 2008 6:51 pm

I'm with you Mr. Donald.

Charles Davidson · Post by **Charles Davidson** » 27 Apr 2008 7:28 pm

Told you guys I was WRONG and I'm SORRY,What more can I say,That I,m REALLY,REALLY,sorry,and REALLY,REALLY,wrong,If I can only get Snoop Dog and Fifty Cent to FORGIVE me,I will sleep better tonight knowing every thing will be all right.DYKBC.

David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 27 Apr 2008 7:39 pm

Did the music about peace and love in the '60s change anything? I'm thinking not as much as some people thought it would, but maybe it changed some people and the whole culture a little. Probably the same is true about Satanic music and gangsta rap, and gospel for that matter. Music is part of culture. So it both reflects it, and contributes to it. The same is true of all media - movies, TV, the internet, newspapers, magazines, books.

Post by **Dave Mudgett** » 27 Apr 2008 8:57 pm

Charlie - I do not claim that you are wrong, and I absolutely do not defend the type of lyrics you are chastising. I just don't know what the causes and effects are.

I do agree that violent lyrics and music have been around for a long time, but I think it is obvious that they are a lot more pervasive now. But again - which was the cart and which the horse - the music or the decayed state of mind a lot of people seem to exhibit these days?

I honestly don't have a firm answer, nor am I exactly sure how to improve things. I have a strong opinion that we need to get back much more to basics. But that opinion may be wrong, or that approach may not be possible to implement. I do have a sense that Humpty Dumpty fell of the wall a long time ago and the pieces are scattered all over the countryside at this point.

Denny Turner · Post by **Denny Turner** » 28 Apr 2008 12:50 am

Over a million innocent men, women and children over the last 8 years deliberately slaughtered in the mid-east in the most heinous ways that makes charlie manson look like a 'South Park' episode; ...For nothing but empire gain, ...while millions of "good music" listeners cheer-on this empire's prolific, endlessly lying, literally brain-washing propaganda.....

I think we've been bombarded by entirely too much "John Philip Sousa".

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 28 Apr 2008 7:42 am

The good news is once we get our young-uns' off of Satanic Music we can aim them towards Cheatin' and Drinkin' songs !

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 28 Apr 2008 8:57 am

songs & their lyrics have always been about suffering or being happy
songs about women, men, money, trains & automobiles freedom or oppression
was'nt Lucifer God's favorite angel until God banished him ?
where to ?
if hell is any worse than here
i sure don't wanna go there

4 million people, if not more, were rubbed out in the democratic republic of Congo in the past years & nobody raised Cain about that !

well it won't be long now
fo'this thread get's closed

Charlie DYK, don't be sorry now
it's just that anyone who is'nt schizo these days
ain't thinkin' clearly

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 28 Apr 2008 9:05 am

It's no wonder the kids are screwed up when we have,

supposedly, level headed adults defending filth like

Satanic music.

David Mason · Post by **David Mason** » 28 Apr 2008 9:56 am

Did playing steel guitar make you old, fat and bald, or did knowing you were getting old, fat and bald make you play steel guitar?

Without clear evidence of causation and correlations throughout years, none of this has any bearing on changing or improving anything. "Evidence" to me means A/B control-grouped studies conducted by trained researchers, who have established an empirical model that provides some hint of proof of causation, or at least a direction to pursue in that search - negative results & the experiences of the control groups would shape the next studies. The means to conduct these studies exist, but there's no real will to do so and/or funding - who wants their own pet theories shot down?

"Anecdotal evidence" is an oxymoron, to ME -

"No wonder he plays steel guitar, he's bald."
"No wonder he's bald, he plays steel guitar."

O.K., fine.... Now we're on the way to fixing things. Rogaine cures steel guitar playing, quit your steel guitar and your hair will grow back.

Richard Sevigny · Post by **Richard Sevigny** » 28 Apr 2008 10:08 am

I don't see anyone defending Satanic Music here...

It's music for teens to 20-somethings who want to give Christians the finger.

Nothing more, nothing less.

If you react to their stance, they've won. If you ignore it they have no hook in you. Eventually, they outgrow it.

The big attraction to this kind of music is it's message of hopelesness. It plays big with sixteen year olds who have no life experience and don't see their personal situation changing soon. Assuming they survive their teens (and most do) they'll leave it behind as life unfolds and they find they can win some as well as lose some.

I know, because I remember being there.

Edward Meisse · Post by **Edward Meisse** » 28 Apr 2008 10:29 am

Good one, Richard. I think not many people realize that Satanism grew up as a rebellion against authoritarian Christianity. It has ALWAYS been people wanting to give the finger to Christians. There is really nothing more to it than that. The young people I have known who listen to, "Satanic Music," are not believers but merely rebels. They think it's a big joke. While neo paganism does have its sincere adherents, there is a big aspect of rebellion there as well.

Note: I have not intended to either say outright or to imply that Christianity is an authoritarian religeon. But from the very beginning up until this day there are Christians sects and or cults (the David Koresh (sp) people for instance) who have been and or are.

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 28 Apr 2008 10:41 am

You might think it's funny to "give the finger" to Christians but to us evangelicals, satanic music and all that goes with it is a sign of the end times.

Keep your lamps trimmed, you never know the time when the Lord will return.

Mike Winter · Post by **Mike Winter** » 28 Apr 2008 10:49 am

As I type this, "Blackboard Jungle" (1955) is playing on TCM. Only one rock and roll song in the soundtrack (Rock Around The Clock), but it's mostly jazz and bop. "Rebel Without A Cause" (1955) had no rock and roll music in its soundtrack. (I say rock and roll because it was decried from pulpits all across America as being satanic and/or the devil's music, years before there was any overtly satanic music.)

Here's the cover from "SuspenStories," issue #22 from May, 1954.

This was BEFORE Elvis, Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis had the ear of the nation's youth.

So what music pushed teenagers back then into crime and influenced artists to draw covers like the one above?

Tony P -- that was a classic!

Richard Sevigny · Post by **Richard Sevigny** » 28 Apr 2008 11:07 am

Erv Niehaus wrote:You might think it's funny to "give the finger" to Christians but to us evangelicals, satanic music and all that goes with it is a sign of the end times.

Keep your lamps trimmed, you never know the time when the Lord will return.

I didn't think I implied there was something funny about it.

You may be right about the end times. Just to put things in perspective however, (and no disrespect intended, Erv) evangelicals of all stripes have been announcing this event for the last thousand years. For some reason the date keeps getting pushed back.

In the meantime, I'll assume life goes on while living each day as though it's my last