R.I.P. C6th

A. J. Schobert · Post by **A. J. Schobert** » 22 Jun 2007 10:06 am

Ron I am pretty far from Texas however I deal with guys that live there so I don't want a civil war starting!!

Paul Redmond · Post by **Paul Redmond** » 22 Jun 2007 7:14 pm

There are several threads on this subject. I have posted my 10-string Uni setup on a few occasions. I get all the 6th stuff (except 'boo-wah') imagineable using all standard E9th changes. AND I do have a KL which pulls down the 2nd and 7th strings (D to C#, and F# to E) for some of the SS stuff. Four pedals, seven knees. . .it's all there including the Night Life intro. Check some of my recent prior posts. I've converted several guitars for others to this tuning and they too are finding the 6th stuff.
PRR

Ron Sodos · Post by **Ron Sodos** » 27 Jun 2007 11:37 am

What a crock!

Jim Meiring · Post by **Jim Meiring** » 27 Jun 2007 2:45 pm

Just when I thought I was beginning to be comfortable with my decision to go back to the D 10, I saw Maurice Anderson play his 12 string lap steel. It just doesn't matter what you play as long as you can get the sound you like. Unfortunately it's just too expensive for most steel players to own multiple instruments. I'd like to have .....

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 3 Apr 2008 1:06 pm

RIP ? well, I think not..

Although I do not play a lot of C6..I recently did a few sessions for Muzak on the E9th,the studio owner asked me if I could cover some Hawaiian music for an upcoming session, I said..
oh yeh...

I grabbed the back neck with the inside C6th tuning , that being strings 7,6,5,4,3,2 (C,E,G,A,C,E) and played a simple version of a Jerry Byrd tune called SAND ( no pedals) and I'm booked for a 3 song session next week.

Long Live C6th I say !

And some of you think the C6th neck is a Jazz neck !

oh and

thank you Jerry...

A. J. Schobert · Post by **A. J. Schobert** » 3 Apr 2008 1:14 pm

Thanks TP, I forgot I posted this you most have been really digging.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 3 Apr 2008 1:51 pm

AJ I can't take the credit, someone above me revived it, I saw it at the top and it just fit what happened to me this week..

But don't be afraid to hold that CREDIT and give it to me for something else down the road !

tp

A. J. Schobert · Post by **A. J. Schobert** » 3 Apr 2008 5:46 pm

I stand corrected, and I will keep bonus points for tp at a later date....

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 3 Apr 2008 10:09 pm

Tony Prior wrote: I grabbed the back neck with the inside C6th tuning , that being strings 7,6,5,4,3,2 (C,E,G,A,C,E) and played a simple version of a Jerry Byrd tune called SAND ( no pedals) and I'm booked for a 3 song session next week.

Long Live C6th I say !

And some of you think the C6th neck is a Jazz neck !

oh and

thank you Jerry...

I play Sand on E9th with pedals down. Jerry Byrd's version was on B11th tuning, which is only one note different from the pedals down A6th. My recording of it on Quasar Steel Guitar was on a non-pedal A6th, but I learned to cover it on pedal steel.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 4 Apr 2008 1:55 am

bob, the cover art on your CD states you played Sand on the A6 tuning on your Fender. ... ( A6, C6 whats a couple of notes between friends ) !

are you testing me ?

Anyway I'm a total novice when it comes to these songs and open tunings. The inside C6 tuning was a Home Run for me at the right time.

I thought I read somewhere that Jerry played a ton on his C6 stock tuning, thats a reference that I am familiar with, probably the only one.

Country, Rock, Blues Boy goes Hawaiian !

Is this a great Country or what !

Andy Sandoval · Post by **Andy Sandoval** » 4 Apr 2008 3:27 am

A. J. Schobert wrote:MY Winnie Winston steel guitar book copyrighted 1975 asked if the C6th neck is on its way out, it also said that some players think not.

Hmmm? If it's on it's way out, it's sure takin it's sweet time huh? Let's talk about it for another 30 years...

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 4 Apr 2008 7:56 am

Tony Prior wrote:bob, the cover art on your CD states you played Sand on the A6 tuning on your Fender. ... ( A6, C6 whats a couple of notes between friends ) !

Isn't that what I said?

Sand (as recorded by JB) is in the key of D. The intro goes to Bb, with a cool little hammer-on on the E string. You really need an A6th tuning to get that right, and E9th with pedals down is A6th.

I could play it on C6th with the 5th pedal and the C to C# lever. That also makes an A6th tuning. But at the time when I was performing Sand with a band, I was playing a single neck E9th.

My point (which I seem to make fairly often) is that it's the choice of notes, not the copedent, that determines the style of music. This topic started on the premise that all of the steel on country radio is E9th. That assumption is false but understandable - there is a fair amount of C6th steel on the radio that people don't recognize as such. Paul Franklin, the most recorded session steeler today, often uses C6th to play his "rock slide" style parts. I imagine that those parts must give bottleneck Telecaster players fits!

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 4 Apr 2008 8:39 am

i would'nt bury C6 until it's dead
it don't look & sound like it is either
wasted thread imo....

richard burton · Post by **richard burton** » 4 Apr 2008 11:21 am

Definition of a Gentleman:

A man who can play C6......

but doesn't

Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 4 Apr 2008 12:41 pm

At the steel conventions I've been to, when somebody starts rippin' some C6th, people literally flock to and surround that player, with looks of amazment on their faces (presumably the C6th is dead crowd?).

fwiw, I find 6th tunings/copedants are easier to play than E9th.
Easier to tune, too.
'Not sure why such a mystery surrounds it.

Brett Day · Post by **Brett Day** » 4 Apr 2008 5:44 pm

I use "Redgold Beauty's C6th neck when I play along with songs that feature lapsteel, since lapsteel is kinda hard for me to handle.

Brett

Matthew Carlin · Post by **Matthew Carlin** » 4 Apr 2008 11:46 pm

C6 Is how I got turned on to steel guitar. 3 weeks ago I was looking for my first 6 string Lapsteel and I ended up with U12, kind of a crazy jump but it just worked out that way. I wouldn't be "trying" to play if not for C6.

A. J. Schobert · Post by **A. J. Schobert** » 5 Apr 2008 3:42 am

pete I would have to agree with you on that one.

Malcolm McMaster · Post by **Malcolm McMaster** » 5 Apr 2008 8:33 am

C6th R.I.P.? You have got to be joking ,watch "papa John" on the Time Jumpers DVD,as long as players of this quality play C6th it will never be R.I.P. Yes you can get a lot of the stuff on the E9th neck but does it really sound the same? I don't think so.Although I have a D10 I can't play the back neck to save myself, really wish I could, but I'll keep trying.

Drew Howard · Post by **Drew Howard** » 5 Apr 2008 10:30 am

Declaring a guitar tuning "dead" is over-the-top.

A. J. Schobert · Post by **A. J. Schobert** » 5 Apr 2008 1:22 pm

You guys I was just quoting what was in my Winnie Winston book, odviously it is wrong, but they made that point. most country music is played on the e9th.

Charles Davidson · Post by **Charles Davidson** » 6 Apr 2008 1:45 am

I've known a few players that use the 6'th neck as an arm rest only,Also I think it gets a bad rap from some players because they CAN'T play it,and uses that as an excuse when they say the 9th is the ONLY way to go [maybe?]DYKBC.

Johan Jansen · Post by **Johan Jansen** » 6 Apr 2008 1:56 am

I don't think it's dead, but for a lot of steelers it's an unnowned neck. The E9 is a lot comon to a regular guitartuning, and when you didn't grow up with the Hawaiianguitar, it's a lot more difficult to get around with, and it becomes an dusty ashtrayholder

Charles Davidson · Post by **Charles Davidson** » 6 Apr 2008 2:13 am

JJ,It may just be me,but could never understand why so many players seem to be afraid of the 6th neck,Like I said it may be me,But I found learning the 6th neck[got to admite I REALLY wanted to]much easier to learn than the 9th,and lots more forgiving.DYKBC.

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 6 Apr 2008 10:50 am

I think that many players are afraid of the C6th because so much of the music played on it is complicated jazz. They don't ever notice when simple blues or folk music is played on the C6th. They think it's lap steel or bottleneck slide.

Most of the pedals and knee levers on the C6th are half-step changes. They aren't as obvious in their usage as the A pedal on E9th. Unless it's being used for thumb-swept jazz chords, C6th is hard to spot on recordings.

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