Where can I get nylon tuners from?

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 28 Sep 2007 9:16 am

Anyone know where I can get new nylon tuning adjusters from? I am planning to renew all of them on my 2 ShoBuds, and add some new pull rods.

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 28 Sep 2007 9:26 am

Ken, George L's has them.

Ken Pippus · Post by **Ken Pippus** » 28 Sep 2007 9:32 am

A Brit ending a question with a preposition!! What would Churchill think?

KP

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 28 Sep 2007 9:46 am

A Bit ending a question with a preposition!!

A bit what??

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 28 Sep 2007 9:46 am

Thanks Kevin. Appreciated.

Actually it might have come across wrong. It isn't the adjuster wrench that I need, its the nylon nuts

Ken Pippus · Post by **Ken Pippus** » 28 Sep 2007 9:51 am

Sorry, I meant "Brit."
KP

Churchill quote: "Ending a sentence with a preposition: that is something up with which I would not put."

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 28 Sep 2007 10:08 am

[/quote]Sorry, I meant "Brit." [quote]

That's OK. As long as I didn't end with a Pippusition!!

Ken Pippus · Post by **Ken Pippus** » 28 Sep 2007 10:09 am

Hmmmmm...

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 28 Sep 2007 10:10 am

Sorry - I couldn't resist it.

Micky Byrne · Post by **Micky Byrne** » 28 Sep 2007 10:29 am

Hi Ken,
Paul Redmond donated a whole set for my "ressurected" Sho-Bud. He was the designer of the brilliant WHITNEY keyless steels years ago. Try him via the forum or I have his e'mail. We correspond alot. Let me know

Micky Byrne United Kingdom www.mickybyrne.com

Bent Romnes · Post by **Bent Romnes** » 28 Sep 2007 10:44 am

Ken. Yes, GeorgeL's has them. I bought mine (for my recent project) from Jeff Bradshaw in Alberta , Canada
http://www.countrypickin.com/
They were a buck a piece and were the white, classy looking ones.

Sonny Priddy · Post by **Sonny Priddy** » 28 Sep 2007 11:09 am

Bobbe seymour Has Them At Steel Guitar Nashville. (615-822-5555) SONNY.

Alan Brookes · Post by **Alan Brookes** » 28 Sep 2007 9:17 pm

Ken Pippus wrote:A Brit ending a question with a preposition!! What would Churchill think?

Having lived 35 years in England and 27 years in the U.S.A. I can assure you that people on both sides of the Atlantic are equally bad users of grammar....
...but that preposition location argument was made up by English teachers. There's no rule that says you can't put as many prepositions as you like at the end of a sentence. The confusion was created by calling it a "preposition". Maybe we should call it a "postposition". In fact, prepositions are used more often after the verb than before.

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 28 Sep 2007 9:42 pm

The problem with the Geo. L. tuners is that they are NOT nylon. They are "cast formed plastic". Too soft and don't have a very long life, along with many other problems.

Check with some of the builders of quality steel guitars and see if one of them will sell you some quality parts, pure nylon.
Duane Marrs is a possible, as is Zum, Emmons, Star, GFI, Desert Rose and several other quality manufactures.
Real nylon tuners are the best material to use and purchase, just get the correct size for the rod being used, .092, .107, .125. are the most used pull rod sizes. (or buy an Emmons P-P, they don't use nylons, like Paris Hilton)

Bobbster

Bobbe Seymour

Bobbe

Bill Dobkins · Post by **Bill Dobkins** » 28 Sep 2007 11:21 pm

Bobbe, how would you know whether she uses nylons are not. You've just seen pix's like the rest of us.
Maybe we should jump into the limo and check this out
to make sure. My guess is, she carries them in her purse to slip over her head when she see's the cop's.
Of course I'm just speculating like some one else I know...

Wish you were coming to the KSGC next weekend.....

John Roche · Post by **John Roche** » 28 Sep 2007 11:53 pm

Ken try Maplins. I got some there this year , take one in with you as they have a few sizes.

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 29 Sep 2007 1:47 am

Bobbe - thanks for the tip. Hopefully other forumites have read and digested your words. I still prefer to view everything in imperial measurements rather than metric. My rods are good old 3/32"s!! My age I'm afraid.

I prefer gallons to litres, pints to half litres and miles to kilometres. We have lost our gallons in the UK at the petrol pumps to litres, and it will only be a matter of time before we order half a litre of beer intead of a pint!

John - I'll check out Maplins.

In the meantime, Don Burrows may have come to my rescue.

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 29 Sep 2007 1:53 am

Post duplicated.

Kevin Mincke · Post by **Kevin Mincke** » 29 Sep 2007 10:28 am

When you find the real nylon ones let me know too as I have been trying to do the same thing to my SuperPro and Pro III.
Got Nylons

Bent Romnes · Post by **Bent Romnes** » 29 Sep 2007 12:26 pm

The tuning nuts I got from Jeff Bradshaw are great in my estimation. I doubt if they will wear out in a short time. They are harder than Japanese arithmetic. So hard in fact that I had to cut threads in the hole. Normally I believe you just screw the nut onto the threaded rod and let the rod cut the thread. I had to thread the nut with a 4-32 tap.I tried to pull one off the rod to test for strength. No way would it let go.
These ones are the pretty, white ones that are closed in one end and have the little collar that go against the finger.

Benton Allen · Post by **Benton Allen** » 29 Sep 2007 5:32 pm

BMI has the real deal at

http://www.beckmusicalinstruments.com/15022.html

Cheers!

Don Burrows · Post by **Don Burrows** » 1 Oct 2007 4:40 pm

I have the 3/16" Nylon Hex stock to make any length you need. Email me for price.

Paul Redmond · Post by **Paul Redmond** » 4 Oct 2007 3:34 am

Bobbe - You are 100% wrong about the material used in George L's tuning nuts!!! They ARE made of nylon. . .an exotic formula developed by DuPont many years ago designated 408L. It has 16% more tensile strength ratings than the usual DuPont 101 nylon and its many derivatives produced by Celanese and other manufacturers. The main reason nylon tuners strip out in the first place is that whoever made the rods threaded them and never took the time to de-burr the threads. Add into the equation that many use dull dies to cut the threads in the first place, and every time the nut is moved one way or the other, the rod is cutting more material free from the inside diameter of the nut. Also, if a rod is inadvertantly cut too short and there are only a few threads trying to handle the job of pulling the changer, yes, the threads will pull out. At one time, G-L nuts were made of 408HSL, but the heat-stabilization compound was later eliminated from the material because it caused discoloration and guitars are not usually exposed to 300-degree F. heat!!! Without going to glass fillers in the compound which are usually added by the molder, 408L is about the toughest nylon available. The 'L' suffix BTW means 'lubricated' which accounts for their easier-feeling, almost-frictionless feel when screwing them onto a rod. Hit those rods one time on a buffing wheel before installing them on the guitar to round over the sharp edges and a G-L tuner should last at least 20 years. If you don't believe this, I'll gladly send you a couple of nuts that I took off of one of my guitars opting only for the newer style 'washer-face' configuration over the straight-hex design. They weren't worn out. . .I just chose to upgrade to the present design. The nuts were on the guitar for over 20 years!!! I'd be happy to discuss this with you in a private email if you'd like. The George L's nuts are the Rolls-Royce of tuners in the world today bar none!!! Others have tried to bang these out on turret lathes and screw machines, but the inconsistency from one to the next is horrible.
PRR

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 24 Oct 2007 1:57 pm

I just got a quantity of 3/32" tapped rods complete with nylon tuners from Don Burrows. His workmanship is excellent. I have bought stainless steel legs from him for both of my ShoBud guitars, and I'm fixing to get him to make guaged rollers next.

Paul Redmond · Post by **Paul Redmond** » 30 Oct 2007 2:09 am

Bent - They are most likely George L's as they are the only ones presently made with the washer face you described on one end, and the 'blind hole' configuration you mentioned. Most of the nylon tuners sold in the world today, or installed on new steels, come from George L's... about 80% of the entire world market.
Any others would have to be classified as 'also-ran's'. BTW if anyone has to tap a nylon tuner to get it to go onto a pullrod, its purpose has been entirely defeated.
PRR