Any ideas on how to find/build pedals for old Sho-Bud?

Mike Harris · Post by **Mike Harris** » 10 Jun 2013 5:33 am

Yesterday I came into possession of an older (I think) Sho-Bud S-10 3+1. I looked at many pics of Mavericks on this site and elsewhere, none look the same. I hope to have pics of mine later in the day.

It came with rods but no pedals. This is a cheapie and a "Player's instrument," not in great shape cosmetically. If anyone has any ideas as to how to make (or where I can find) pedals or a reasonable facsimile thereof I am open to suggestions.

Much obliged,

Mike
ps--it does not seem to have provision for the metal pedal "frame" you see on other Sho-Buds. I'm clueless.

Edward Rhea · Post by **Edward Rhea** » 10 Jun 2013 6:07 am

James Moorehead, my pedal steel teacher and forum member is a ShoBud builder/rebuilder. He makes exact parts, much higher quality machined ones in most cases. If anything canbe done w/your Bud he could and probably will be able to help you. Right now he has a thread going on about ShoBud permanents...look him up and p.m. him, he'll most likely get you cookin! Good luck
Eddie Rhea

Dave Grafe · Post by **Dave Grafe** » 10 Jun 2013 11:14 am

If it has no rollers at the nut it is a Maverick, of which there were several cosmetic versions, all with the same basic mechanism. If there are rollers at the nut it is most likely an old 6139, these regularly shipped with three pedals and one knee lever.

Best to post some photos of the top, ends and underside so that the better informed amongst us might take this further for you.

Mike Harris · Post by **Mike Harris** » 10 Jun 2013 8:32 pm

Dave,

it has rollers. Here are some pics:

Edward Rhea · Post by **Edward Rhea** » 10 Jun 2013 8:53 pm

pm sent

mike nolan · Post by **mike nolan** » 10 Jun 2013 9:04 pm

Monster!!! There are guys here who can help you get it going. If you decide that you don't want to mess with it, I'll buy it from you in a heartbeat.

Bob Muller · Post by **Bob Muller** » 10 Jun 2013 9:12 pm

Mike, That is a permanent style Sho-Bud, I once had a 16 string very similar style to that one.

Edward Rhea · Post by **Edward Rhea** » 10 Jun 2013 9:27 pm

Cool steel Mr Muller! Correct me if I'm out of line, the black pickup and roller keyhead was a product of the 60's, but wooden endplates suggest an early perm? A 57-58 perhaps? I'm new w/these things as well.

Bob Muller · Post by **Bob Muller** » 11 Jun 2013 9:04 am

Edward,It is my understanding that these guitars were built in the middle 60's although they appear to be older I think they are not. The double 8 Or 16 string does not have rollers, and still has the duck tail on the changer casting, but was actually built in the later 60's.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 11 Jun 2013 11:35 am

Bob, could you post some pics of the underside? Yours also has the three layer topside. I'm curious about how the cabinet is constructed.

Mike, could you post the pot dates?

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 11 Jun 2013 11:35 am

Sho-Bud offered the cabinet end feature, as well as Permanents, into the mid to late 1960s. I cannot say they were building NEW cabinet end cabinets. They may have had some old ones around that were wide enough for ten string necks, so they had them available for sale.

I have a D-10 cabinet end Permanent that has Fingertip parts underneath, but it is not what it seems. It was originally a long scale D-8 -- long being 25 1/2 inch scale -- that was converted to a 24 inch scale guitar to accommodate the longer ten string keyheads. Less string breakage would have been a benefit of the shorter scale, but I cannot say for sure that it was the reason for the shortened scale. All I know for a fact is that the ten string keyheads could not fit onto the cabinet with the longer scale necks.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 11 Jun 2013 11:39 am

Thanks Chris! That confirms my shaky memory!

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 11 Jun 2013 11:46 am

Talk about shaky, I need to dowel and redrill the internal cast endplate holes for this guitar. The thing has been taken apart and put back together so many times the mounting holes for the endplates are loose and the guitar shakes than your memory.

Edward Rhea · Post by **Edward Rhea** » 11 Jun 2013 12:42 pm

Thanks Bob, that clears up some things for me, I truely am interested about the ShoBuds and not passing out bad info to anyone. Lotsa people here w/great info for us new guys and I appreciate it!

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 11 Jun 2013 12:54 pm

I forgot to mention, those little single neck cabinet ends are very nice looking guitars. Email me if you wish to sell. No pedal rack, no pedals, no problem. I can complete the guitar with correct parts.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 11 Jun 2013 12:55 pm

Chris, holes in the aluminum, or in the wood? You can get stuff at the hardware or good wood shop that will swell up old holes quite nicely.

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 11 Jun 2013 12:59 pm

Thank you, John. I make cross grain dowels out of maple scraps and redrill. Some of the holes are really bad -- someone had put in bigger screws to tighten up the grab.

Bob Muller · Post by **Bob Muller** » 11 Jun 2013 3:29 pm

John,somehow I don't have but only one underside photo of the guitar. I probably should have kept the guitar but I traded it back to David Jackson on a new guitar. He is the one who told me that he built them in 60s. It was a very unique one-of-a-kind guitar, but nearly impossible to play. I believe the one Mike has is built much the same way only a 10 string version. As with anything else Old Sho-Bud it's all hard to prove.

Alan Berdoulay · Post by **Alan Berdoulay** » 12 Jun 2013 2:06 am

Mike....may I direct your attention to this thread http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... 62#2104562
....can you could give us any history on your guitar?

Mike Harris · Post by **Mike Harris** » 12 Jun 2013 4:42 am

Bob, thanks for all the pics and info--that is a beautiful guitar. Mine, by comparison, looks like a booger--it's beat up and has no shine to the finish.

Alan, that is an interesting thread and pics. Are you thinking there's a connection here?

This one was owned by a guy in Houston. The seller was a friend of the family, probably younger than the original owner. I got the idea it was in the family since the 70's at least. Hadn't been used since the 80's. I think he said the owner was a successful businessman on the side, perhaps an attorney.
I'll re-contact the seller and try to get the straight info. He even gave me a name, but it didn't stick--maybe he said Bill Morriss?

David Mason · Post by **David Mason** » 12 Jun 2013 1:55 pm

You do know that all those people offering to buy it means you got your hands on a diamond-in-the-rough, right?

Alan Berdoulay · Post by **Alan Berdoulay** » 12 Jun 2013 2:26 pm

Mike.....here's the pic of shot from the other thread.....for comparison.

Skip wrote:
Oh yeah... it's Shot, alright. I'm curious about the gtr.

Bob wrote:
Skip, David Jackson told me he only made the two of them, one for Shot, and the 16 string that I traded back to him. So it could be Shots old Guitar, but I could not prove that, but it sure looks the same to me.

Wonder what that old guitar's been up to...?
Any history you can dig up would be appreciated around here.

Mike Harris · Post by **Mike Harris** » 12 Jun 2013 3:00 pm

Okay, the seller says:

It was owned and played by a predominantly Bluegrass musician from Houston, Texas named Tom Morriss in the 60's & 70's. He passed away in the 90's. He was a multi- talented musician, playing Banjo, Mandolin, Guitar as well. His day job was as a corporate attorney for Exxon.

I have contacted Mr. David Jackson and have sent him pics of the guitar. Very nice and interesting man.
3 days of email and phone calls should finally resolve once and for all what this guitar is and isn't.

Mike Harris · Post by **Mike Harris** » 14 Jun 2013 6:55 pm

A bit more info--apparently the guitar, while not considered his personal guitar, was used by Shot Jackson to record an album, not positive which one that would have been (I was told "possibly 'Two Aces Sho-Budding Again'" with Buddy Emmons, but I didn't know if Shot played anything but dobro on that one--maybe someone can shed some light).

I must say, those are some nice folks at the Jackson Steel Guitar Co.

Alan Berdoulay · Post by **Alan Berdoulay** » 8 Sep 2013 4:25 pm

Hey Mike....any updates? How's that old guitar?

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