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Jeff Wamble


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Missouri, USA
Post Posted 11 Jan 2017 7:36 pm     Reply with quote

I'm confused, and need the help of my fellow steel guitarist. I have a push pull Emmons I purchased from Scotty's music in St Louis Mo back in 1982. The serial number is 2699 but it has bolt on necks. According to Emmons chart , it is a 1979, but the bolt on necks I'm told would be from a 1966. Any suggestions?? Thanx so much everyone
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Bobby Boggs


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Upstate SC.
Post Posted 11 Jan 2017 8:20 pm     Reply with quote

Jeff, it has wooden necks it's probably a 79. If it has aluminum necks and they're original. It's likely a 66 or 67. A good many PP's have been modified. Pictures would help. Things like pedals, and bellcranks are a little different from 66 to 79.

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Henry Matthews


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Texarkana, Ark USA
Post Posted 12 Jan 2017 10:08 am     Reply with quote

Jeff, Bobby B is correct but I'll explain a little further. Some of the early Emmons guitars were sold with an invoice number instead of a serial number but still stamped on guitar. It was just a number with no letter in front or behind number. If it's a serial number, it will usually have a D in front, if it is a double neck and I think an S if single neck. If it is a wood neck bolt on then the serial number may be D2699. In the 80's, Emmons went to 6XXX numbers but don't know if they still made bolt-ons in 80's.
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Jeff Wamble


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Missouri, USA
Post Posted 12 Jan 2017 12:22 pm     Reply with quote

Thanx for responses, I will post pics tomorrow to help narrow down the time period, than you!
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Jeff Wamble


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Missouri, USA
Post Posted 12 Jan 2017 7:05 pm     Reply with quote

Here's some pics of my guitar in question, please give me your input on the year, thank you!
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Jeff Wamble


From:
Missouri, USA
Post Posted 12 Jan 2017 7:09 pm     Reply with quote

Close up of the bolt on necks

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Curry Coster


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Glen Burnie, MD USA
Post Posted 12 Jan 2017 7:26 pm     Reply with quote

Mine is a 1967...#2741...no "D"...aluminum necks...it has the thicker bellcranks like yours and the lower return springs are attached to the changer with little wire hooks, like yours, instead of the spring with the hook formed on it.

It looks like your pedals are the older wider style like mine were, but those knee levers are definitely not Emmons.....

Maybe you could measure the distance between the cross shafts. Mine are 2 3/4 apart....

Yours is definitely NOT an '80's guitar........

Curry

Forgot to mention....mine has the springs on the raise tuning screws, too......


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Jeff Wamble


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Missouri, USA
Post Posted 12 Jan 2017 7:29 pm     Reply with quote

Thank you Curry! I really appreciate your input!!
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Curry Coster


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Glen Burnie, MD USA
Post Posted 12 Jan 2017 7:31 pm     Reply with quote

You're quite welcome........I hope your guitar sings like mine does.....Winking
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Ron Funk


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Missouri, USA
Post Posted 12 Jan 2017 8:25 pm     Reply with quote

1967
Your Bolt On may have left Emmons factory without knee levers.
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Garry Vanderlinde


From:
Surf City
Post Posted 12 Jan 2017 10:44 pm     Reply with quote

Can you read the pot codes on the tone control?
And is that a screw on Emmons insignia?
Cool
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Abe Levy


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California, USA
Post Posted 13 Jan 2017 6:47 pm     Reply with quote

Nice guitar! Those pickups are original solid black - don't let em go! Bolt ons are my favorite Emmons. I have two. Incredible tone. I'm currently in Toronto where we have wiiiide temp swings - tuning is rock solid. Even taking her out in a snow storm. That's a keeper.
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Bob Hoffnar


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Austin, Tx
Post Posted 13 Jan 2017 9:52 pm     Reply with quote

Looks like a 66 or 67 bolt on to me. Amazing guitars !
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Bobby Boggs


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Upstate SC.
Post Posted 13 Jan 2017 10:52 pm     Reply with quote

Henry, 66 and 67 serial numbers are all over the place. This guitar should be 200 invoices later than dad's May 5 67. However the pickups look 65ish. Pickups are and easy change. So who knows.

Every one talks about the 66 Bolt On's. But I think there were way more 67 Aluminum neck Bolt On's than there were 67 Cut Tails. Actually, the only 67 cut tail I've ran across was the Blade. How many 67 cut tails were built. My guess, not many. Maybe 20 D-10's.

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John Davis


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Cambridge, U.K.
Post Posted 14 Jan 2017 2:25 am     Reply with quote

Jeff, this may help or just add to the confusion I don't know but I was lucky enough to find an old Emmons for sale in Ireland, I thought I was buying a fairly common split tail but when it arrived I was amazed at the condition and that it was a "bolt on" the serial number 2583 DST did not mean much to me at the time but the condition of the case spoke volumes! I see lots of steel guitar cases but this one was obviously a lot older than any I have and my other guitar is a 71 split tail and a 1980's SD10.
The real surprise was after an initial clean and a set of strings the sound of it left my other guitars in the dust! as testified by all the members of my regular band.
I know they were not made for long and I pegged it as a 1967
(would be happy if anyone could correct me?)
I did the change over to "Day" set up myself and realise it is not 100% original underneath, a couple of the Stops are mins and it needs reflocking but here are a few pics if I can post them.....



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John Davis


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Cambridge, U.K.
Post Posted 14 Jan 2017 2:28 am     Reply with quote

More pics


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Bobby Boggs


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Upstate SC.
Post Posted 14 Jan 2017 8:19 am     Reply with quote

As for the confusion. There is no doubt in my mind it's a 66 ish with aftermarket knee levers. My best guess is Oct 67. As they went to the other type serial # in late 67. By December for sure. The pickups look older than 67. The 67's I've seen have the white wide strip. Again pickups are and easy change. Or maybe they just had a set of the older pickups handy and wanted them gone.

66 or 67. It should be a great sounding guitar.

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John Davis


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Cambridge, U.K.
Post Posted 14 Jan 2017 9:34 am     Reply with quote

Jeff not wanting to hijack your thread but Bobby would you hazard a guess at the age of my Emmons? I note that number wise it is 158 guitars behind Jeff's Confused
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Bill Terry


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Bastrop, TX
Post Posted 14 Jan 2017 9:58 am     Reply with quote

Quote:
..66 or 67. It should be a great sounding guitar.


Confirmed, I've got one of each.. and yes, I'm bragging.
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Bobby Boggs


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Upstate SC.
Post Posted 14 Jan 2017 11:11 am     Reply with quote

John,I'm no expert. But yours looks mid to late 70's to me. The post 67 era pickups, Knee lever sand cabinet brace. No double body 10's where built in 67 that I know of.Think they started in the early to mid 70's? After the Sho~Bud LDG got so popular.

As for your old case. I can only guess someone switched cases along the way. It happens.

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John Davis


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Cambridge, U.K.
Post Posted 14 Jan 2017 11:21 am     Reply with quote

Thanks for the input Bobby I thought they only made the Bolt ons
for a couple of years but I don't really care that much about the year, the sound of it is more important to me and it rings like a bell! Smile my other guitars are hardly getting played now and there will be a split tail for sale here in the near future ......
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Jeff Wamble


From:
Missouri, USA
Post Posted 14 Jan 2017 11:22 am     Reply with quote

Wow! I'm overwhelmed with the response and professional input from all of you! I want to personally thank you all very much!!! I truly appreciate it!
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Bobby Boggs


From:
Upstate SC.
Post Posted 14 Jan 2017 11:39 am     Reply with quote

John all wooden necks were bolt on's. I think a few were built as early as 64. They were very popular from late 69 till they quit building PP's.

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John Davis


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Cambridge, U.K.
Post Posted 14 Jan 2017 12:22 pm     Reply with quote

Bobby have you ever seen one stamped DST after the number?
I am assuming it means Single double ten but I don't know, I have had several Emmons that were converted from D10's to single but this is the first I have had stamped this way and looks to have been built as a S10....
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Henry Matthews


From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
Post Posted 14 Jan 2017 10:09 pm     Reply with quote

Hey Bobby, there aren't many of these but here is a wood neck cut tail from the late 60's I would guess.

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D-10 1982 Emmons p/p Black
D-10 1975 Emmons p/p Black Woodneck Bolt-on
LTD amp, Nashville 400 amp, Quilter Steelaire amp, Goodrich pedal, BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes.
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