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Tony Prior


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Post Posted 2 Sep 2016 6:54 am     Reply with quote

Historically you don't have to make any adjustments just for changing a string, especially the same gauge. My take, something else is going on.

If the Steel was in tune and all worked well before you changed the string, installing a new string with the same gauge should create NO NEW issues.

Moving the raise rod hook to a different position on the pull finger to me means you compensated for something else.

I would acquire 20 new cap head screws with NYLOK on them,or go out and get some RED NYLOK, clean the cap screws you have and re-NYLOCK them.

The Push Pull I play regularly , I change strings 3 and 5 on a regular basis, just like the ALL PULLS, no issues, I tune them up to pitch with the head stock tuners and everything is fine. No adjustments necessary.

I can't imagine any Push Pull owner having to readjust or move hooks after changing a string, that would be a deal killer. something else is causing the issue.

I would start with the cap head ( nylok) screws, change them all.

Mike above suggests using small springs with the cap head nylok screws, excellent suggestion, but what that may mean is the screws are not holding which means the nylok is wearing out. I just acquired a 2nd PPull which had small springs on each of the cap head raise screws for tuning,it was easy to tell that a few of the screws were indeed sloppy loose. I changed all of them on both changers, no springs required anymore. No tuning issues either.

by the way, Nylok, not Loctite.
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mike nolan


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Post Posted 2 Sep 2016 9:07 am     Reply with quote

I have had different pull length on the same gauge string from different manufacturers, most notably going from Curt Mangan to Live Steel. That change did require adjustments all over the guitar.
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Tony Prior


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Post Posted 2 Sep 2016 12:23 pm     Reply with quote

mike nolan wrote:
I have had different pull length on the same gauge string from different manufacturers, most notably going from Curt Mangan to Live Steel. That change did require adjustments all over the guitar.


Mike, interesting , enough change to warrant a HOOK position change ? That seems really severe, what if you break a string on a gig ? I could see and understand some changer cap head screw tweak but a hook change just seems very severe .
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mike nolan


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Post Posted 2 Sep 2016 5:21 pm     Reply with quote

I actually had to move some collars. If I had moved hook positions, the balance of the entire guitar would have been out of whack. This is a U-12 Emmons, so more pulls to deal with.
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Tony Prior


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Post Posted 3 Sep 2016 11:38 pm     Reply with quote

Not arguing, but that seems odd to me, but none the less. I change strings, different brands, same gauges, on both of my D10 P Pulls and generally no tweaking or very little tweaking is required at the changer end. I would suspect that if we break a string on a gig with any P Pull and cannot just change the string with perhaps a very minor tweak, nobody would want one of these guitars ! We can't turn the guitar over on a gig and make mechanical adjustments , can we ? I know I can't.

As stated above, I change 3 and 5 often ( same gauges) every few weeks as I do on the All Pulls. I have not experienced any issues.

Are others having this same issue ?
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mike nolan


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Post Posted 4 Sep 2016 7:46 am     Reply with quote

Tony, it was only an issue when the switching brands to Live Steel. I never had to tweak with other brands or between other brands. The Live Steel strings are different. Had to do some work under the hood of my Zum, when I switched over to LS. Once you make the switch and the tweaks, everything is solid and stable. I like and use Live Steel strings, so no problem for me. I agree with your assessment, that under normal conditions changing the wire to a different hole is extreme.
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Tony Prior


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Post Posted 4 Sep 2016 8:20 am     Reply with quote

Thx Mike, I misunderstood. The tread topic with changing the hook position is indeed extreme, I believe something else is going on, like a loose/faulty cap head screw. Probably something very simple.
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Damir Besic


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Emmons Guitars wrote:
I pray that the posted link is just an oversight! However, We have been contacted by our Patent Law Office. He asked us to look into this and officially state the following: "You are in violation of copyright and trademark laws" The Website to your post is NOT an official Emmons website. Please remove any and all copyrighted(Methodology and Practice in Pedal Steel Guitar)and Trademark Emmons!!

Kind regards,
Ron Lashley, President
Emmons Guitar Company


I'm glad we don't have to deal with this character any more Rolling Eyes
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Lane Gray


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Post Posted 11 Sep 2016 5:43 am     Reply with quote

He was also completely ignorant of the doctrine of "fair use."
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Damir Besic


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Post Posted 11 Sep 2016 6:01 am     Reply with quote

Lane Gray wrote:
He was also completely ignorant of the doctrine of "fair use."


yeap... and also completely ignorant on how to lead the most famous steel guitar company in the world.. guy managed to destroy everything his father and Buddy did...amazing, but judging by his attitude, if this was how he had run his business, I am not surprised at all...
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Drew Wofford


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Post Posted 5 Jan 2017 6:58 pm     Reply with quote

Someone once advised me to raise the pitch of the string being tuned during the actual turning of the endplate screw (i.e. engage a raise or release a lower). This way you aren't grinding the end of the screw into the raise/lower finger. I assume the concern was that you might create an uneven surface on the finger. Has anyone else heard this?

Drew
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Lane Gray


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Post Posted 5 Jan 2017 10:02 pm     Reply with quote

It sounds like a reasonable procedure to avoid a low risk of damage.
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Post Posted 12 Feb 2017 7:39 pm     Wonderful thread. Reply with quote

I will be buying my first PP guitar in March from Damir and am looking forward to it being in front of me.
I was concerned because I know so little about tuning them so this has now been bookmarked for future reference.
Thanks to all who posted useful information on this subject.
It is so sad about what happened to the Emmons company and to Buddy too, RIP.
I never want to deal with people who are so wanting to go to court.
Already have an ex-wife that loves going to court costing me a small fortune over the last ten years. No end in sight.
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Nick Reed


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Post Posted 22 May 2017 5:46 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks for the info . . . very helpful !


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