F-SALE jbl- D130 mint condition, great vintage

Randy Carson · From: San Antonio, Texas, USA

I have a true Jbl D-130 in mint condition for sale.
I learned recently why John Hughey stock piles a certain vintage of D-130's and you can't get him to part with one.

HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE NOTES EVEN IF YOUR NOT BUYING RIGHT NOW

Jbl stop making the real D-130 in 1968 along with the kits to recone them. But? we see these everywhere into the seventies in Fender amps, with orange and so on.....but they always have the Fender f signature

so even though in 1968 you could no longer buy one from the company or a the correct recone kit,

Fender still put there own logo on there speaker they got from JBL that still said D-130 F signature.(KEYWORD IS F)

They did this for several reason's. One silly reason was they already had the logo's made up,
but Much more important people bought there amps form fender if they said that on the speaker because no matter what JBL was sending them Fender could still use there signature name, and you can defitnly tell by looking.

I learned this when I got this speaker im putting up for sale, by Austin Speaker-Service which Ricky Davis will attest to are Jbl experts.

anyway my speaker does not have an F on it, its just a plain Jbl D130 in mint condition as a vintage speaker can get.

you cannot get a D130 f speaker reconed with a D kit after 1968
mine appeared to put out more output ohm wise than what was on the speaker.
So I had them test it and it is an 8ohm speaker even though it says 16 again with one of the last true D 130 kits from Jbl

I repeat it has an official recone kit from Jbl in 1968 that turned this speaker into
8OHMS exactly!
so anybody that wants to know how to tell the difference by looking i will be happy to answer your email. But its a completely different basket.

Austin Speaker says a nice original is worth every bit 500 bucks versus 150 buck version from Fender,
so John Hughey knows what he's doing after all by stock piling these speakers though you can buy the ones with an f on them everyday,BUT ITS NOT THIS SPEAKER

anyway because mine is reconed with one of the last Jbl kits it could bring 350 to the right person
but!!! i just know how hard it would be for me to pay that much so how about a very fair price of $185 plus shipping
Recap
real deal mint prior to 1968 (real mcoy)recone and all
8ohm
JBL D-130 (not a 130-f sig)
$185 plus shipping.

im selling because im going in all my cabinets with the a more recent JBL model that is much easier to replace, so i can always have matching speaker's with a spare

randycarson@onebox.com
or 512 331 9255
lost my cell phone ha ha for the 10th time
Thanks
Randy

[This message was edited by Randy Carson on 22 February 2005 at 03:41 AM.]

jerry harkins · From: kingsland tx

Hi Randy,
Which model are you going with, if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks Jerry.

Bill Hatcher · From: Atlanta Ga. USA

The difference between the D130 and the D130F is the application of damping material to the outside accordian edge of the cone. The original 130 was meant for stereo applications and when used in a guitar amp the cone would over extend and warp and the voice coil would fry. JBL and Harvey Gerst changed the accordion edge, painted on some damping material and this stabilized the paper.

This is probably a very nice speaker, but one of the drawbacks is that it cannot be considered a correct replacement for a vintage amp that would have come with an F series. If your just looking for the JBL sound then get this one! If you are a vintage geek and your looking for the correct speaker for your Vibroverb then you would need to find a replacement JBL logo.

Cool speaker.

Ken Fox · From: Nashville GA USA

In an interview with Harvey Gerst I found on the web:

The D-130 was/is an effeceint speaker. It doesn't need a lot of input
to get a lot out.

On the other hand, I saw a lot of D130's come through with fried voice
coils that were running off a 12 Watt Williamson amp during the 50's and
60's. Integrated music from HiFi systems caused one kind of problem -
using the D130 as a musical instrument speaker created other problems.

That's why I suggested the D130F (which was a redesigned D130), made
expressly for musical instrument amps, as were the D110F (a totally new
design), the D120F (a redesign of the D131), and the D140F (a new design
using existing parts).

Power specifications for the F series were nominally 35 to about 60
Watts. How did I arrive at these figures? Pretty simple, I played guitar
and bass through them and kept increasing the power till they blew. Then
I downrated them from the power that fried them. Pretty hi-tech, huh? It
seemed to work pretty well (of course we didn't have synth players back
then).

The major amp manufacturers back then were Fender, Sunn, Kustom, and
Ampeg. Rickenbacher and Mosrite also bought some, but nowhere near the
volume of the other amp makers. All had JBL speaker options.

And yes, the "F" stood for Fender, since they were the largest single
buyer, and also distributed the F series to music stores. They had no
part in the design or the idea for the new series, I am solely to blame
for that.

--
Harvey Gerst

Randy has a great speaker there, by the way! Also a very fair porce, just check Ebay on most any day and you will see that is true!

http://www.harpamps.com/micKspeakers/D130F-History.html

[This message was edited by Ken Fox on 22 February 2005 at 07:44 AM.]

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Randy Carson · From: San Antonio, Texas, USA

thanks for the input but, there is no such D130 by fender except in name only. these were not an updated d 130 the were simply a speaker jbl supplied fender with and if you needed a recone, you did not get a 130 recone kit
PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!
as far as the outer edge thing that was done by Austin Speaker to insure life of the speaker.
again this speaker is an original D130 the most sought after speaker jbl has ever made, not a fender f d-130

its absolutely mint

i have k series speakers which are a lot easier to replace, i just had the one real mcoy D130, so instead of going on quest for the original D130's at outrages prices, im starying with the K as they are less expensive easier to find, and you dont have to worry if you blow it that you cant find another one, as for the fender 130 its not the same speaker if made after 1968.

Like I said John Hughey knows what he's doing.

If anyone has a K-130 8 ohm and wants to trade with a little cash
let me know, as this would be my spare speaker.
thanks
randycarson@onebox.com
thanks
randy ph 512 331 9255

AGAIN THE PLUS HERE IS IT IS NOT A FENDER LOGO, SPEAEKR IN NAME ONLY.

ITS TRULY THE ONE AND ONLY D-130 THAT IS SOUGHT AFTER BY SESSION AND PRO'S

[This message was edited by Randy Carson on 22 February 2005 at 11:20 AM.]

James Quackenbush · From: Pomona, New York, USA

What would be nice would be if Fender would release some of the modified Eminence speakers that they have in the Steel King....These speakers have a D-130 tone with more power handleing ..It will handle what a K model will handle , but give you more of the D-130 tone....You just can't ask for more than that .....Jim

Randy Carson · From: San Antonio, Texas, USA

Ok,
I cant believe this speaker didnt sell in a nano second, something must have went wrong with the description,
or people are confused by what has been said by everyone that has joined this post.

since i need the money quickly im reducing the price to a lost.

new price $145
new simplified explanation;
THE ABSOLUTE MOST SOUGHT OUT AFTER steel guitar speaker D-130 8OHMS that was used by JBL and FENDER until they stopped making them, at that time fender still used the logo, but only in logo in the mid to late seventies.

The speakers being sent to fender from JBL were more suited for a six string in the seventies. THIS IS A COLLECTABLE AND AWESOME SOUNDING steel guitar SPEAKER

if somebody dont jump on this soon im going to take it as a sign to keep it.
$145 plus shipping PERIOD!!!!
THANKS
RANDY

[This message was edited by Randy Carson on 22 February 2005 at 11:10 PM.]

Ricky Davis · From: Bertram, Texas USA

Yes Randy speaks the TRUTH
There isn't anyone that knows more about the history and what is what about the JBL; than the guys at Austin Speakers.
This is a needle in the heystack that Randy has and he is selling it about 300 bucks too cheap.
Ricky

Jerry Erickson · From: Atlanta,IL 61723

Ok,Ok,... I'll take it. Send me an email Randy.

Randy Carson · From: San Antonio, Texas, USA

Ok Ok Jerry,
you can have it. somebody backed out this morning so its yours.

you can pay by paypal randycarson@onebox.com

or send a money order;
Randy Carson
2220 London Lane
Cedar Park, Tx 78613 ph 512 331 9255

but please reply/ i need the money for child support
Thanks
Randy

[This message was edited by Randy Carson on 24 February 2005 at 04:48 AM.]

Randy Carson · From: San Antonio, Texas, USA

BTW/ bill hatcher is absolutely wrong,

this is the exact same speaker that was in all fender amps until 1968.

let me say in a nice way have your research correct bill
THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A D-130 JBL
AND A D-130 f JBL at the that time period except for the f stood for fender.

JBL did not make two different D-130's

your probably are refering to a D 131 or a D-131 a
if John Hughey was watching this post and decided to join in,
he would tell you thats all he puts in his amps. and has a garage full of them he's collected over the years and will take anything for one of them. just ask

it just amounts to tone.

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Randy Carson

[This message was edited by Randy Carson on 24 February 2005 at 05:07 AM.]

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Bill Hatcher · From: Atlanta Ga. USA

Carson.

Don't tell me I am wrong until you look up Ebay#5752849343. If this auction is over, you can click on advanced search and look it up in the completed auctions.

You will see a pic of a original James B. Lansing D130 with the small accordion edge that the first version of the D130 had. This is what JBL made until the D130F came out.

Now that you know that YOU are wrong, I will reiterate what I correctly said to begin with. One difference in the D130 and the D130F is the added section of folds on the cone edge and also the damping material painted on to keep the paper from deforming and causing the edge wound voice coil from rubbing and shorting out.

Don't tell me I am wrong until you check your facts.

Edit. Randy, I am emailing you a pic of the original version of the JBL that is on Ebay for your edification

Edit 2. http://www.harpamps.com/micKspeakers/JBL-D130F-info.html

This is just a post that Harvey Gerst made in reference to the D130F and D130. If you read down you will see him speak of the D130 "HOME VERSION". This is the other version of the D130 with fewer outside folds and no painted on damping material. BOTH of these were made at one time, the D130 and the D130F. My information comes from Harvey Gerst himself who used to post a lot on an electronic newsgroup I audited

Edit 3. The voice coil gap in the original D130 is 0.05. When Gerst redesigned the D130 into the D130F the coil gap was opened up a tiny bit to allow for more transient stress on the paper cone without shorting the coil to the mag frame. Your speaker is a D130 that has been reconed with a D130F cone. That does not make the speaker a D130F! It cannot be made into a D130F because the coil gap cannot be changed.

[This message was edited by Bill Hatcher on 24 February 2005 at 09:50 AM.]

Ken Fox · From: Nashville GA USA

Did no one read the article I posted? Harvey Gerst designed the speakers! There was a difference, as Bill pointed out. Another major difference was the voice coil gap was widened, see the article. I believe Harvey Gerst would know a good bit more than anyone else on the subject.

Herb Steiner · From: Spicewood TX 78669

I've know Harvey since the mid-60's. We used to hang out at the same club in LA (the Ash Grove, Perlowin knows him also). He was the Artist Rep at Acoustic when I was with Ronstadt and they supplied us with amps, and in fact, HG married a good friend of mine, Mary Aldin.

He speaks with a straight tongue about his design work at JBL.

He now lives in Texas and is a studio owner. And he's divorced from Mary. So the years haven't dimmed any of his mental acuity.

That's not to say that Randy doesn't have a great speaker for sale. It's worth every penny and especially is the correct speaker for pre-1966 Standel amps. Bob Crooks felt the D-130F was a different speaker than the D-130's he was using in his amps, and he was correct. He also probably didn't want to acknowledge a "Fender" part in his product line... these guys had egos, too.

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Herb's Steel Guitar Pages
Texas Steel Guitar Association

Randy Carson · From: San Antonio, Texas, USA

Bill,
you are correct about certain things but fender jbl's had the same edge up until a certain year my friend.
I KNOW I'VE OWNED THEM
take it easy big boy YOUR RIGHT ABOUT SOME OF THE HISTORY,

BUT thats my whole thing.
this is the origianal D-130.

my come from is strictly from Jbl's mouth not mine.
However why don't we close this thread so everybody can have a good weekend since the speaker has been sold anyway.

BTW thanks Herb, thats all I was saying is this is the original D-130 from the sixties that went into Standel amps as well as sixty Fenders until 1968 when the changes were made and you could no longer even get a D kit like this speaker has.

I think there is too much KNOWLEDGE floating around here
rc PLEASE CLOSE

[This message was edited by Randy Carson on 24 February 2005 at 10:07 AM.]

[This message was edited by Randy Carson on 24 February 2005 at 10:17 AM.]

Bill Hatcher · From: Atlanta Ga. USA

Randy.

No one is trying to say that your speaker is not a very good one, what I am saying is that your speaker is not the most "sought after" JBL as you put it. That would be the JBL D130F, which your speaker is not. Your speaker will not handle the transients that an F series will because of the smaller voice coil gap.

Glad you sold it. It should be worth that much to someone.

Randy Carson · From: San Antonio, Texas, USA

Bill,
I just go from experience and what the big boys tell me.
And thanks for the offer on the speaker.
now lets please close this thread.
randy

Bill Hatcher · From: Atlanta Ga. USA

What offer?

Randy Carson · From: San Antonio, Texas, USA

Since this thread doesnt seem to close ill answer;
you sent me a personal email that had an offer; but after i read it further it had somebody else's name on the end of it; so my bad;
should have taken this puppy to ebay, one just like it but a tad older and not in as good of shape almost brought 300 bucks today oh well.
im finished conversing.
BOB PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!

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