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Topic: Some faux pedal steel in C6 |
Mike Neer
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Posted 11 Sep 2022 7:01 pm |
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After a long time of not doing anything silly like this, I’m back at it. 😀
I used a pitch shifter to basically turn my C13 into E13 for more of a pedal steel timbre, so though the little track I made is in the key of A, I’m actually playing in F. It gets a little confusing but if I stick with it for a minute, like this, I start to get the hang of it. I’m finding all kinds of weird and cool slants. Now if I can just get them in tune….
This was completely improvised, so sometimes I run out of stuff to play or get repetitive. It is what it is.
https://youtu.be/PT9aYYTG2kg
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Allan Revich
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John Rosett
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Posted 11 Sep 2022 8:33 pm
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That's some great playing Mike!
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 12 Sep 2022 11:53 am Re: Some faux pedal steel in C6
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| Mike Neer wrote: |
After a long time of not doing anything silly like this, I’m back at it. 😀
I used a pitch shifter to basically turn my C13 into E13 for more of a pedal steel timbre, so though the little track I made is in the key of A, I’m actually playing in F. It gets a little confusing but if I stick with it for a minute, like this, I start to get the hang of it. I’m finding all kinds of weird and cool slants. Now if I can just get them in tune….
This was completely improvised, so sometimes I run out of stuff to play or get repetitive. It is what it is.
https://youtu.be/PT9aYYTG2kg |
Really great idea. Super creative. Good to see you tackle some faux pedal sounds. E13 has a few indeed. The three note chords are where it take it to another level. There are a few x slant chords that can be done to get pedal moves but a 9th is needed in the middle of the tuning. You already have the b7 in your c13. Also on the 3rd interval there are a few pedal sounds there and of course the standard a and b sounds on the 5th interval.
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Tim Toberer
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Posted 13 Sep 2022 4:42 am
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Just goes to show what you can do with some creativity. Very convincing! You make those reverse slants look effortless. I put a carpet under my steel cause the bar keeps flying off the strings when I trying some of those.  |
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Bill Hatcher
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Posted 13 Sep 2022 12:29 pm
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| Just as cool as the shirt. |
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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Posted 13 Sep 2022 7:28 pm
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Thanks for listening, everyone, I am having a blast with this and I think I have moved up to the next level since I started fooling with this the other day. Will post again soon.
There are so many chords buried in C6 tuning if you are willing to hunt for them. I just discovered a slant four voice 7th chord that resolves to the tonic in such a cool way!
Here are some of the simpler voicings I've been playing. I think the longer scale guitar actually works to my benefit here, but let me know if you can play them on a short scale
(I don't have one tuned to C6 at the moment).
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.......C7.....F.....C7...F...
E_______6_____8_________________
C_______7_____9______4___5______
A_______________________________
G_______9_____10_____5___5______
E____________________6___5______
C_______________________________
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 13 Sep 2022 9:22 pm
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| Mike Neer wrote: |
Thanks for listening, everyone, I am having a blast with this and I think I have moved up to the next level since I started fooling with this the other day. Will post again soon.
There are so many chords buried in C6 tuning if you are willing to hunt for them. I just discovered a slant four voice 7th chord that resolves to the tonic in such a cool way!
Here are some of the simpler voicings I've been playing. I think the longer scale guitar actually works to my benefit here, but let me know if you can play them on a short scale
(I don't have one tuned to C6 at the moment).
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.......C7.....F.....C7...F...
E_______6_____8_________________
C_______7_____9______4___5______
A_______________________________
G_______9_____10_____5___5______
E____________________6___5______
C_______________________________
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Those voicings look pretty difficult without a Low Bb and a low D positioned between the C and E( strings 6 & 5. Pretty cool and easy to do on E13.
Mike don't you use a C13?
Both are done at the 8th fret in E13. 
I love the pedal style change you shared. Will be using that. Stellar as usual Mike. Been working on pedal style changes on E13 lap steel but can't find my darn paperwork so will have to redo in Tabledit.Billy Robinson had some cool ones. RIP
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Andy Volk
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Posted 14 Sep 2022 2:02 am
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Cool beans, Mike! It's your phrasing that really helps sell the pedal steel vibe.
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Mike Neer
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Posted 14 Sep 2022 6:36 am
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Those voicings look pretty difficult without a Low Bb and a low D positioned between the C and E( strings 6 & 5. Pretty cool and easy to do on E13.
Mike don't you use a C13?
Both are done at the 8th fret in E13.
I love the pedal style change you shared. Will be using that. Stellar as usual Mike. Been working on pedal style changes on E13 lap steel but can't find my darn paperwork so will have to redo in Tabledit.Billy Robinson had some cool ones. RIP |
The whole point of playing these and any voicings using slants for this particular style is that you can that make outer voice movement just by unslanting or slanting to another chord for a real legato or even glissando. The chords themselves aren’t as important as the movement. This is the kind thing that keeps one up at night thinking of the possibilities or locked in the shed
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 14 Sep 2022 12:59 pm
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| Mike Neer wrote: |
| Stefan Robertson wrote: |
Those voicings look pretty difficult without a Low Bb and a low D positioned between the C and E( strings 6 & 5. Pretty cool and easy to do on E13.
Mike don't you use a C13?
Both are done at the 8th fret in E13.
I love the pedal style change you shared. Will be using that. Stellar as usual Mike. Been working on pedal style changes on E13 lap steel but can't find my darn paperwork so will have to redo in Tabledit.Billy Robinson had some cool ones. RIP |
The whole point of playing these and any voicings using slants for this particular style is that you can that make outer voice movement just by unslanting or slanting to another chord for a real legato or even glissando. The chords themselves aren’t as important as the movement. This is the kind thing that keeps one up at night thinking of the possibilities or locked in the shed |
Agreed Mike. That’s what I meant on E13 you can slant for both on the 8th fret as your anchor centre point on one and 9th fret on the other but not such a difficult slant thankfully. 
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Mike Neer
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Posted 14 Sep 2022 1:33 pm
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Ah, I see what you’re saying. I just have to pick good keys to play in but these slants are not that rough, at least on my guitar, which is a long scale. I have to fudge the tuning of the first string slightly or it sounds a little sharp in some slants. I’ve got some really cool ones I can do way up the neck that I’ll share at some point, two or three of them are pretty wild.
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 14 Sep 2022 2:58 pm
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Whew. I find those slants wild.
I guess the wildest I have used thus far covers four fret movement but the melody notes are usually the anchor points for me.
Love it Mike. Keep it up. Always love when you share as it helps all our journeys and pushes the limits. Plus forces me to learn new things which is always great.
Maybe we should do a thread dedicated to mimicking both E9 and C6 pedal moves. May get some excellent tips for so many forumers
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Tim Toberer
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Posted 15 Sep 2022 7:11 am
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| these slants are not that rough, at least on my guitar, which is a long scale. |
Is there a consensus on what scale lengths are best for playing slants in tune? I had read somewhere that a shorter scale guitar is better. That is one of the reasons I have been making my guitars with a 22.5" scale, which I guess is pretty short. This is something I have been trying to wrap my head around. Scale length combined with string spacing. Trying to figure out what works, probably a compromise no matter how you do it. I also ordered a new bar a bit lighter. Hope that helps, but I really don't like slants that are out of tune. Vibrato helps it seems.
Mike I didn't see you doing any string pulls on this recording. Is this all done with the bar? |
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Mike Neer
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Posted 15 Sep 2022 7:33 am
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| these slants are not that rough, at least on my guitar, which is a long scale. |
Is there a consensus on what scale lengths are best for playing slants in tune? I had read somewhere that a shorter scale guitar is better. That is one of the reasons I have been making my guitars with a 22.5" scale, which I guess is pretty short. This is something I have been trying to wrap my head around. Scale length combined with string spacing. Trying to figure out what works, probably a compromise no matter how you do it. I also ordered a new bar a bit lighter. Hope that helps, but I really don't like slants that are out of tune. Vibrato helps it seems.
Mike I didn't see you doing any string pulls on this recording. Is this all done with the bar? |
No string pulls here. Slanting is a skill that you never really perfect but it does become second nature if you do it as a regular part of your playing. I even use it for single note playing sometimes. It’s just a fact of life on this instrument for me. Bullet bars are really the only tool for the job.
I have several guitars of different scale and string spacing. I think there is a difference in terms of where you are playing on the neck. From the 5th fret up, I prefer the long scale. It gets really tight on the upper frets with a short scale, and I think the longer scale has a better tone up the neck, at least my Clinesmiths do. I haven’t done any kind of scientific study or anything but I am starting to take note that certain guitars of mine are better at doing certain things.
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Tim Toberer
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Posted 16 Sep 2022 5:23 am
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| I have several guitars of different scale and string spacing. I think there is a difference in terms of where you are playing on the neck. From the 5th fret up, I prefer the long scale. It gets really tight on the upper frets with a short scale, and I think the longer scale has a better tone up the neck, at least my Clinesmiths do. |
I have had this revelation on standard guitar. I got a short scale 23 1/2" guitar with the idea that it would make the big chords I have been trying to play a bit easier. It worked, but it gets so tight above the 12th fret it is almost unplayable up there. Tone suffers as well with the lower string tension. A compromise is probably best in both cases. I think my next steel will be a 23 or 23 1/2" scale. |
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 17 Sep 2022 1:30 am
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My experience on a short scale 12 string 22.5
Bullet bar - is the only tool indeed for those slants. And I tried every version of dobro, glass slide and even waisted years selecting the right bar and using skateboard grip tape for better grip.Check my old posts. Mike and I have been on a journey on the forum indeed.
Steel bullet bar - keeps it nice and bright - tried many other material bullet bars and the traditional steel can't be beaten in my experience. Even tried chrome plated expensive bars which is no good if you drop it even once.
String spacing I use is closer like a pedal steel - means easier slanting
Short scale - E13 has higher tension so brighter past the 12th fret - with plenty resonance
Also means slanting in tighter areas which normally begins around the 19th fret is absolutely fine for me.
So slightly different experience for me on my Steel. my fretboard goes up to 24 frets
I rarely ever go up to fret 24.
But whatever scale length you choose its all about getting used to it. Buddy did it on a long scale pedal steel regularly so its more about investing in your hands than anything else.
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Bill Hatcher custom 12 string Lap Steel Guitar
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 17 Sep 2022 4:12 am
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Your tone and many of these licks you play remind me of Sneaky Pete.
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Tim Toberer
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Posted 17 Sep 2022 6:44 am
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Bullet bar - is the only tool indeed for those slants. And I tried every version of dobro, glass slide and even waisted years selecting the right bar and using skateboard grip tape for better grip.Check my old posts. Mike and I have been on a journey on the forum indeed.
Steel bullet bar - keeps it nice and bright - tried many other material bullet bars and the traditional steel can't be beaten in my experience. Even tried chrome plated expensive bars which is no good if you drop it even once.
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I just ordered one of these https://www.ernieball.com/guitar-accessories/guitar-slides#P04232 Its damn cheap! The dimensions look right. If I like the weight and dimensions maybe I will spring for something nicer! I spent a lot of time with the widest dobro type bar and finally realized you really can't do reverse slants with these things. I do feel a much greater control with it for single string stuff, hopefully I can get there with a bullet bar. Watching closely a good player like Mike, I see he is anticipating these slants and subtly changing his grip to accommodate. Looks easy when he does it! |
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Joe Cook
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Posted 17 Sep 2022 7:33 am
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| Thanks so much, Mike! I enjoy slants and these are some doozies. C13 tuning really is very versatile in the right hands. |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
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Posted 5 Feb 2023 6:11 am
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Mike, that’s very nice playing! I’m into trying to play everything, pedal steel sound included with my Clinesmith with C13 too!
Can you please tell which pedal you used and do you find the quality of the sound good enough? Would you tell the difference between using the pedal or an actual E13 tuning on recording?
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Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Aaron Clinton
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Calgary, AB
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Posted 6 Feb 2023 7:12 am
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Wow Mike that is awesome! I would also like to know what pitch shifter you are using
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
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Quebec, Canada
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Posted 6 Feb 2023 12:46 pm
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| Cool! Have you tried the EHX Pitch Fork? |
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