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Topic: Best reasonably priced mic for recording steel? |
John Sims
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Posted 31 Jan 2022 1:08 pm |
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Hi Guys,
I just got a Behringer AI for Christmas and have been learning how to use it and tried to record my first steel song w/backing track on Cakewalk (which I am still learning). The steel sounds flat, no lows... I don't want to invest in preamps, EQ's, etc. I have the Behringer UMC-204HD fed from my Nashville 1000 amp line out. The amp EQ controls don't seem to make that much of a difference. Is there a good mic to use that anyone would recommend instead of using the line out from the amp? Is the issue with me not knowing how to set up the EQ in Cakewalk properly? TY for the time to reply.
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John
Steelin' is a way of life!
1997 Carter U-12 Double Body-Natural Birdseye Maple-8p/5k, Peavey Nashville 1000 Amp, Goodrich L10K Vol. Pedal, Boss DD-3 Delay, Boss CE-5 Chorus, Behringer UMC-204HD Audio Interface, AKAI MPK Mini MK3 Professional Midi Keyboard/Controller, Gretsch Bobtail Resonator, Fender Banjo, Rondo SX Lap Steel (C6), DIY Lap Steel (Open D), a few Mojo Hand Cigar Box Guitars (MojoHandGuitars.com). |
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K Maul
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Posted 31 Jan 2022 2:13 pm
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Senheiser e609 is a very good mic for amps and even works well for dobro or acoustic guitar. It’s low priced, nothing fancy but I’ve found it very useful for recording or live applications.
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John Sims
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Posted 31 Jan 2022 2:35 pm
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Thanks!
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John
Steelin' is a way of life!
1997 Carter U-12 Double Body-Natural Birdseye Maple-8p/5k, Peavey Nashville 1000 Amp, Goodrich L10K Vol. Pedal, Boss DD-3 Delay, Boss CE-5 Chorus, Behringer UMC-204HD Audio Interface, AKAI MPK Mini MK3 Professional Midi Keyboard/Controller, Gretsch Bobtail Resonator, Fender Banjo, Rondo SX Lap Steel (C6), DIY Lap Steel (Open D), a few Mojo Hand Cigar Box Guitars (MojoHandGuitars.com). |
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Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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John Sims
From:
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Posted 31 Jan 2022 4:16 pm
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Thanks Dale! I found a new one for cheap!
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Regards,
John
Steelin' is a way of life!
1997 Carter U-12 Double Body-Natural Birdseye Maple-8p/5k, Peavey Nashville 1000 Amp, Goodrich L10K Vol. Pedal, Boss DD-3 Delay, Boss CE-5 Chorus, Behringer UMC-204HD Audio Interface, AKAI MPK Mini MK3 Professional Midi Keyboard/Controller, Gretsch Bobtail Resonator, Fender Banjo, Rondo SX Lap Steel (C6), DIY Lap Steel (Open D), a few Mojo Hand Cigar Box Guitars (MojoHandGuitars.com). |
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John Macy
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Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 31 Jan 2022 4:25 pm
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The 421 has been my go to forever and I own everything from 57’s to original Neumann U47’s….
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John Macy
Rockport, TX
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Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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John Sims
From:
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Posted 31 Jan 2022 5:45 pm
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$65.00 I hope it's not a fake!
https://www.lameby.com/product/sennheiser-md421-ii-microphone/
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Regards,
John
Steelin' is a way of life!
1997 Carter U-12 Double Body-Natural Birdseye Maple-8p/5k, Peavey Nashville 1000 Amp, Goodrich L10K Vol. Pedal, Boss DD-3 Delay, Boss CE-5 Chorus, Behringer UMC-204HD Audio Interface, AKAI MPK Mini MK3 Professional Midi Keyboard/Controller, Gretsch Bobtail Resonator, Fender Banjo, Rondo SX Lap Steel (C6), DIY Lap Steel (Open D), a few Mojo Hand Cigar Box Guitars (MojoHandGuitars.com). |
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Mike Auman
From:
North Texas, USA
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Posted 31 Jan 2022 7:57 pm
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Hmmm... a $400 mic that goes for $300+ used, offered in new condition for $65 on a website that sells dresses, power tools and musical instruments. What could possibly go wrong?
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Long-time guitar player, now wrestling with lap steel. |
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Rick Campbell
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Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 31 Jan 2022 9:26 pm
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The line out on the amp is probably pre eq, which is why you don't hear a lot of difference. Are you adding some reverb and/or delay to the steel track? My experience has been that while there's some difference in mics, it's not a drastic difference. Could you be missing something in the process of how you set up the recording? The learning curve is somewhat frustrating, but enjoyable at the same time. I've learned a little, but I'm just scratching the surface. I hope you'll let us hear some of your work.
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John Sims
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Posted 1 Feb 2022 4:42 am
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| Mike Auman wrote: |
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Hmmm... a $400 mic that goes for $300+ used, offered in new condition for $65 on a website that sells dresses, power tools and musical instruments. What could possibly go wrong? |
I was thinking the same thing Mike! I'll "return it":...    or, I'll give it to my grandkids!
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Regards,
John
Steelin' is a way of life!
1997 Carter U-12 Double Body-Natural Birdseye Maple-8p/5k, Peavey Nashville 1000 Amp, Goodrich L10K Vol. Pedal, Boss DD-3 Delay, Boss CE-5 Chorus, Behringer UMC-204HD Audio Interface, AKAI MPK Mini MK3 Professional Midi Keyboard/Controller, Gretsch Bobtail Resonator, Fender Banjo, Rondo SX Lap Steel (C6), DIY Lap Steel (Open D), a few Mojo Hand Cigar Box Guitars (MojoHandGuitars.com).
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John Sims
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Posted 1 Feb 2022 4:45 am
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| Rick Campbell wrote: |
The line out on the amp is probably pre eq, which is why you don't hear a lot of difference. Are you adding some reverb and/or delay to the steel track? My experience has been that while there's some difference in mics, it's not a drastic difference. Could you be missing something in the process of how you set up the recording? The learning curve is somewhat frustrating, but enjoyable at the same time. I've learned a little, but I'm just scratching the surface. I hope you'll let us hear some of your work.
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Thanks Rick! I will take a look at the schematic and try to see if the line out is pre-EQ but I doubt it since I can hear the delay and reverb. I have my reverb and delay in the post pre-amp loop. Maybe it's just some adjustments in Cakewalk rather than leaving the software controls alone at their original settings...
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Regards,
John
Steelin' is a way of life!
1997 Carter U-12 Double Body-Natural Birdseye Maple-8p/5k, Peavey Nashville 1000 Amp, Goodrich L10K Vol. Pedal, Boss DD-3 Delay, Boss CE-5 Chorus, Behringer UMC-204HD Audio Interface, AKAI MPK Mini MK3 Professional Midi Keyboard/Controller, Gretsch Bobtail Resonator, Fender Banjo, Rondo SX Lap Steel (C6), DIY Lap Steel (Open D), a few Mojo Hand Cigar Box Guitars (MojoHandGuitars.com). |
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Bob Hoffnar
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Austin, Tx
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Posted 1 Feb 2022 5:24 am
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My impression is that recording direct out of the back of your amp just doesn’t sound good. Pickup a shure 57 and put it in front of the speaker. If it doesn’t sound good move it a little. You won’t need to screw around with computer tricks that never quite work to fix it that way.
The best studios in the world use Shure 57’s . They sound great and you can hammer nails with them. Used ones can be had for $60.
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John Sims
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Posted 1 Feb 2022 6:21 am
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Great advice! Thank you Bob!
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Regards,
John
Steelin' is a way of life!
1997 Carter U-12 Double Body-Natural Birdseye Maple-8p/5k, Peavey Nashville 1000 Amp, Goodrich L10K Vol. Pedal, Boss DD-3 Delay, Boss CE-5 Chorus, Behringer UMC-204HD Audio Interface, AKAI MPK Mini MK3 Professional Midi Keyboard/Controller, Gretsch Bobtail Resonator, Fender Banjo, Rondo SX Lap Steel (C6), DIY Lap Steel (Open D), a few Mojo Hand Cigar Box Guitars (MojoHandGuitars.com). |
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John Macy
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Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 1 Feb 2022 7:28 am
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That website also has a Neumann 103 for about the same price. Hard to believe. They list a physical address in Austin on their website. The address comes up as an outdoor music venue called the Texas Music Ranch.
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John Macy
Rockport, TX
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John Sims
From:
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Posted 1 Feb 2022 7:53 am
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| John Macy wrote: |
| That website also has a Neumann 103 for about the same price. Hard to believe. They list a physical address in Austin on their website. The address comes up as an outdoor music venue called the Texas Music Ranch. |
Maybe I'll get lucky John  
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Regards,
John
Steelin' is a way of life!
1997 Carter U-12 Double Body-Natural Birdseye Maple-8p/5k, Peavey Nashville 1000 Amp, Goodrich L10K Vol. Pedal, Boss DD-3 Delay, Boss CE-5 Chorus, Behringer UMC-204HD Audio Interface, AKAI MPK Mini MK3 Professional Midi Keyboard/Controller, Gretsch Bobtail Resonator, Fender Banjo, Rondo SX Lap Steel (C6), DIY Lap Steel (Open D), a few Mojo Hand Cigar Box Guitars (MojoHandGuitars.com). |
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John Macy
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Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 1 Feb 2022 7:57 am
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Keep us posted!!
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John Macy
Rockport, TX
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John Sims
From:
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Posted 1 Feb 2022 8:06 am
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I certainly will!
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Regards,
John
Steelin' is a way of life!
1997 Carter U-12 Double Body-Natural Birdseye Maple-8p/5k, Peavey Nashville 1000 Amp, Goodrich L10K Vol. Pedal, Boss DD-3 Delay, Boss CE-5 Chorus, Behringer UMC-204HD Audio Interface, AKAI MPK Mini MK3 Professional Midi Keyboard/Controller, Gretsch Bobtail Resonator, Fender Banjo, Rondo SX Lap Steel (C6), DIY Lap Steel (Open D), a few Mojo Hand Cigar Box Guitars (MojoHandGuitars.com). |
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Tim Kowalski
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2022 1:04 pm
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I second the SM57 suggestion.
Buy it NEW from a reputable source like Sweetwater of Musicians Friend for around 100.00
I would not recommend buying used since there are so many fakes out of China in circulation.
I bought a used 57 from a forum member which turned out to be a fake. I very seriously doubt that they knew it was a copy, so I just called it a lesson learned.
It was functional, but it sounds tinny compared to a legitimate Shure.
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John Sims
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Posted 1 Feb 2022 1:12 pm
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| Tim Kowalski wrote: |
I second the SM57 suggestion.
Buy it NEW from a reputable source like Sweetwater of Musicians Friend for around 100.00
I would not recommend buying used since there are so many fakes out of China in circulation.
I bought a used 57 from a forum member which turned out to be a fake. I very seriously doubt that they knew it was a copy, so I just called it a lesson learned.
It was functional, but it sounds tinny compared to a legitimate Shure. |
Thanks Tim! I ordered one from Sweetwater. It seems like a real workhorse and perfect for mic'ing amps!
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Regards,
John
Steelin' is a way of life!
1997 Carter U-12 Double Body-Natural Birdseye Maple-8p/5k, Peavey Nashville 1000 Amp, Goodrich L10K Vol. Pedal, Boss DD-3 Delay, Boss CE-5 Chorus, Behringer UMC-204HD Audio Interface, AKAI MPK Mini MK3 Professional Midi Keyboard/Controller, Gretsch Bobtail Resonator, Fender Banjo, Rondo SX Lap Steel (C6), DIY Lap Steel (Open D), a few Mojo Hand Cigar Box Guitars (MojoHandGuitars.com). |
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Norman Evans
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Tennessee
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Posted 1 Feb 2022 1:44 pm
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If you are using Cakewalk, take some time and watch this person mix a song. He really knows how to use Cakewalk. He has a bunch of videos on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBbiDG0j2xc |
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John Sims
From:
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Posted 1 Feb 2022 2:57 pm
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Thank you Norman!
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Regards,
John
Steelin' is a way of life!
1997 Carter U-12 Double Body-Natural Birdseye Maple-8p/5k, Peavey Nashville 1000 Amp, Goodrich L10K Vol. Pedal, Boss DD-3 Delay, Boss CE-5 Chorus, Behringer UMC-204HD Audio Interface, AKAI MPK Mini MK3 Professional Midi Keyboard/Controller, Gretsch Bobtail Resonator, Fender Banjo, Rondo SX Lap Steel (C6), DIY Lap Steel (Open D), a few Mojo Hand Cigar Box Guitars (MojoHandGuitars.com). |
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Ethan Shaw
From:
Texas, USA
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Posted 2 Feb 2022 10:28 am
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| +1 for Bob Hoffnar's advice. 57's will take you far. |
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John Macy
From:
Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 2 Feb 2022 4:51 pm
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I’ve had it on my to do list for a while to track an entire song (all drum mics, bass cab, piano, guitars and vocals) with only 57’s just for fun and to see. I don’t think it would become common practice for me, but I bet it’s not quite as far away as I would like it be!
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John Macy
Rockport, TX
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 3 Feb 2022 1:51 am
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The problem with tracking using a single mic is that its built-in response - in the case of the 57 a presence peak to favour vocals - becomes multiplied so that the finished result sounds tinny.
Use more than one mic, or something really flat.
The 57 is a remarkable design and you can use it on anything, but not everything 
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