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Topic: What order would you put these pedals? |
Karl Paulsen
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Posted 8 Oct 2021 7:05 am |
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For most playing I just use my steel, Hilton VP and amp reverb, however I'm jamming with a local songwriter and upright bass player and an finding alot of space to experiment with different effects.
EDIT : My amp has no fx loop.
Here's my present collection. How would you order them?
-Tuner
-Bad horse (klon style overdrive), might swap it for a fuzz.
-Tremolo
-Chorus
-Phaser (Small stone clone)
-Delay
-Reverb (for more extreme reverb sounds)
-Eq for Dobro emulation.
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John Poston
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Albuquerque, NM, USA
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Posted 8 Oct 2021 7:16 am
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| I'd put EQ then fuzz/overdrive before the volume pedal input |
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John Larson
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Pennsyltucky, USA
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Posted 8 Oct 2021 7:17 am
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Do hilton's have a tuner out?
Does your amp have an fx loop?
Guitar -> Bad Horse -> VP (Tuner from tuner out, if not put it first for silent tuning with the VP backed off)
-> amp -> loop -> EQ for Dobro -> Chorus -> Phaser -> Delay -> Reverb -> Tremolo (i like tremolo last that's how old fender amps are wired trem after reverb it also avoids the trem pulses retriggering the time based effects like delay). If no amp loop amp goes at the end.
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Benjamin Davidson
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Posted 8 Oct 2021 8:13 am
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Here's how I'd run this sequence, I'll try my best to explain why.
Tuner - out of the tuner out on the Hilton VP if so equipped. If you can't do that, run after the Hilton.
EQ - if you're using this as a Dobro emulation trick, placing it here will ensure the rest of the pedals are reacting to that tone profile.
Bad Horse - Again taking the EQ profile if engaged and provided that gain of the overdrive, if you swap this for a Fuzz pedal 1-for-1, you will need to make sure its a modern circuit design that does react as much to impedance matching. I you run a more vintage circuit the fuzz goes either right after the guitar, or right after the Hilton (I haven't played with an active VP to tell you which.)
*If the amp has a really good effects loop this is the point you'd send the signal into the amp, and back out that effects loop. I haven't found this to really be required for steel playing as the preamps are kept very clean. Also depends on if the loop is before or after the Amps reverb circuit.
Phaser - I just prefer it here to my ears
Tremolo - There's two spots for termolo, either here before chorus where the chorus can react to it. OR - place it after Reverb, just the way it is in vintage Fender amps.
Delay - Before Reverb.
Chorus - After delay seems to be better in my ears, particularly if you use a lot of dotted 8th delays.
Reverb - at the end unless you place Termolo at the end.
Leads go back to the Loop Retun, for the amp input depending how you are running the amp.
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Karl Paulsen
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Chicago
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Bobby Snell
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 8 Oct 2021 11:58 am
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My 2 cents:
Steel>Tuner>EQ>(OD/Fuzz)>VP>Phaser>Chorus>Delay>Rev>Trem>Amp
Effects iz fun! |
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Brooks Montgomery
From:
Idaho, USA
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Posted 8 Oct 2021 2:32 pm
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Why delay pedal before reverb? Does the reverb tone decay going thru the delay--if is in front of the delay?
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A banjo, like a pet monkey, seems like a good idea at first. |
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 8 Oct 2021 8:16 pm
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| Brooks Montgomery wrote: |
| Why delay pedal before reverb? Does the reverb tone decay going thru the delay--if is in front of the delay? |
Reverb out to Delay means the repeated notes from the delay have reverb built into them, resulting in a wash of sound with notes running into each other. Used with subtlety, it can thicken up thin tone. Used more blatantly, it can sound pretty ridiculous unless you play long notes or held chords.
Delay out to reverb means each repeat has the crispness and attack of the original note before getting the reverb treatment. It’s the rule of thumb order, but there is certainly no law against experimenting with them reversed.
Read this https://www.strymon.net/setting-up-your-effect-signal-chain/
The posts preceding mine reflect some of the information on the Strymon site. |
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Karl Paulsen
From:
Chicago
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Posted 9 Oct 2021 3:13 am
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Thanks again for the advice folks,
I've got a bit of cord management to do, but here they are hooked up on my board. I went with Benjamin's order for now.
For now I'm keeping the tuner on the board to lower the number of power cords and cables. At some point I may put a battery in there and move it to the floor running off the VP timer output.
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ajm
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Los Angeles
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Posted 9 Oct 2021 8:42 am
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The EQ settings for dobro simulation: In the picture, are those your actual settings?
From left to right:
+5
0
+15
-15
+15
-15
+15
Volume +7
The first two bands look different from most of the settings I've seen.
And.........
The remaining bands look backwards.
For the record, most of the settings that I've seen people using go down, up, down, up, and so on.
Yours seem to indicate up, down, up, down, and so on.
Thanks in advance. |
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Craig A Davidson
From:
Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 9 Oct 2021 8:47 am
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Put the dobro pedal first out of the guitar before your volume pedal, then your tuner if you don't have an out on your volume pedal, then the distortion. Then all the modulation pedals in whatever order you want after the volume pedal.
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George Redmon
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Muskegon & Detroit Michigan.
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Posted 9 Oct 2021 9:01 am
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I love my effect pedals. I enjoy old analog originals, as well as expertly designed new boutique digitals. I use the "GigRig G-3 Atom Switching System". I can rearrange any effect pedals on the fly. I can also group my effect pedals together in groups, and switch groups silently on demand, to different pre selected groups. I also have switchers, that allow me to run certain pedals such as my drives, and compressors and any other pedals i choose through the front of my amp, and others through my loop simultaneously.
I blame.....i mean credit, Julian Tharpe, Curly Chalker, Buddy Emmons and Gene O'Neal for Influencing me to use effect and Wah pedals. Buddy Emmons just loved using them.
A good switching system is well worth the investment.
https://shopusa.thegigrig.com/G3-Atom |
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Brooks Montgomery
From:
Idaho, USA
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Posted 9 Oct 2021 2:13 pm
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Fred, thanks for the explanation: delay before reverb.
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A banjo, like a pet monkey, seems like a good idea at first. |
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Karl Paulsen
From:
Chicago
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Posted 10 Oct 2021 8:06 pm
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| ajm wrote: |
The EQ settings for dobro simulation: In the picture, are those your actual settings?
From left to right:
+5
0
+15
-15
+15
-15
+15
Volume +7
The first two bands look different from most of the settings I've seen.
And.........
The remaining bands look backwards.
For the record, most of the settings that I've seen people using go down, up, down, up, and so on.
Yours seem to indicate up, down, up, down, and so on.
Thanks in advance. |
Thanks for the reminder, I did reset it wrong after rearranging the board. I wondered why it wasn't singing quite as sweet.
Previously I was using settings described by Richard with good results.
| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
I found the Boss noisy but have not noticed any with the Fish and Chips. That's the reason I got rid of the Bo-Bro ( Boss GE7) and went to the Fish and Chips. A noise gate shouldn't be necessary. I do back down the 200 slider to almost half.
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https://www.facebook.com/NickelandSteel
Chicago Valley Railroad. Trainspotting and Bargain Hunting...
https://chicagovalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/ |
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Karl Paulsen
From:
Chicago
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Posted 10 Oct 2021 8:09 pm
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| George Redmon wrote: |
I love my effect pedals. I enjoy old analog originals, as well as expertly designed new boutique digitals. I use the "GigRig G-3 Atom Switching System". I can rearrange any effect pedals on the fly. I can also group my effect pedals together in groups, and switch groups silently on demand, to different pre selected groups. I also have switchers, that allow me to run certain pedals such as my drives, and compressors and any other pedals i choose through the front of my amp, and others through my loop simultaneously.
I blame.....i mean credit, Julian Tharpe, Curly Chalker, Buddy Emmons and Gene O'Neal for Influencing me to use effect and Wah pedals. Buddy Emmons just loved using them.
A good switching system is well worth the investment.
https://shopusa.thegigrig.com/G3-Atom |
Wow, that's quite an investment!
Not to say it couldn't happen someday, but right now the priority is good sounding budget pedals that will all fit on my homemade pedalboard.
Looks like a great system though.
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Chicago Valley Railroad. Trainspotting and Bargain Hunting...
https://chicagovalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/
Last edited by Karl Paulsen on 11 Oct 2021 3:14 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Karl Paulsen
From:
Chicago
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Posted 10 Oct 2021 8:13 pm
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| Craig A Davidson wrote: |
| Put the dobro pedal first out of the guitar before your volume pedal, then your tuner if you don't have an out on your volume pedal, then the distortion. Then all the modulation pedals in whatever order you want after the volume pedal. |
This is a good practice, that a few folks have suggested variations of and is something I've considered. At least for now though I'm looking to keep everything except the VP on the board with one in and one out.
At some point though I should give it a try.
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https://www.facebook.com/NickelandSteel
Chicago Valley Railroad. Trainspotting and Bargain Hunting...
https://chicagovalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/ |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 25 Oct 2021 5:42 am
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I run my effects before the Volume pedal mainly for the distortion. Keeps it simple.
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Dennis Detweiler
From:
Solon, Iowa, US
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Posted 25 Oct 2021 4:31 pm
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What John Larson said.
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Gabriel Edell
From:
Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted 7 Nov 2021 2:34 pm
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Here’s how I run mine. After playing with the order, I decided not to use the tuner-out of the volume pedal – I like the buffer that’s built into the HD Stomp so I run it in-line. I also run the distortion after the volume because I like to vary the effect by working the volume pedal.
I built them into a thrift-store Samsonite briefcase because I’m cheap and it’s super portable. I just set it on the amp.
Guitar -> Tuner -> B9 -> VP -> Distortion -> Delay -> Amp
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Nathan Guilford
From:
Oklahoma City
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Posted 7 Nov 2021 6:28 pm
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My two cents:
Steel > tuner > eq > overdrive > phaser > chorus > VOLUME PEDAL > Delay, Reverb, Tremolo > amp
Could swap eq and overdrive if you plan on changing the tone of the overdrive (make the "klon" sound like a "tubescreamer"). Also some folks like the chorus before the overdrive, but I don't. If you really like ambient, washed out tones, order the last pedals like >VOLUME PEDAL > tremolo, reverb, delay.
My pedalboard looks like this.
Steel > lil izzy buffer > compressor (Slide rig) > organ simulator (B9) > rotary (Lex)> drive (Sweet baby od) > Phaser (phase 90) > Volume Pedal > delay (yellow fall) > Reverb (mxr) > amp. I just use a clip on tuner or my phone app.
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Karl Paulsen
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Chicago
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