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Topic: 3+3 changer |
Tom Campbell
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Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2021 11:39 am |
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Who builds a 3+3 changer?
I have a setup that requires a 3 lower changer.
Justice offer them as a standard feature...who else? |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Louisville Ky
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2021 12:35 pm
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Williams guitars have a triple raise/lower changer. 
Erv |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 8 Jun 2021 1:01 pm
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| Rittenberry. Also no longer active but later production model Zum. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 8 Jun 2021 3:20 pm
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I believe Mullen, MSA, and Show Pro. I think pretty much all current builders have 3 & 3 changers (or more).
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 8 Jun 2021 3:34 pm
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I believe Richard is dead-on, most ALL modern pro models have at least 3+3 capability. However, even if they did not, I would not select a guitar on that basis alone. There are too many other factors which should be considered, and there are always work-arounds to accommodate tuning preferences. The little device pictured below was used to add a third raise or lower to older MSA guitars, and still enable tuning from the endplate. (I believe they were sold by Tom Bradshaw.) And, they would work on just about any all-pull guitar.
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2021 4:07 pm
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Donny, the "Bradshaw gizmo" as I've dubbed it, can work, but can also create new problems. A pull rod's pull is often not straight but pulling slightly sideways and can create problems with that pull and anything adjacent. I still have a couple in my Mullen, but don't trust them much. Far better to buy a guitar that has more than enough raise and lower holes in the changer to accommodate present and likely future changes.
No knock on Tom Bradshaw, either, when these gizmos work they're a miracle, and he's a lifelong friend of mine.
MSA has 4R/3L I believe. Excel has 7R/5L, which I may consider down the road, I currently have needs for a 4R/4/L guitar.
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Ron Pruter
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Arizona, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2021 6:00 pm
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Fessenden. Are you looking to buy a changer or a guitar? G2 Mullen, I don't think RPs. I don't think GFI. Emmons never did. Sho bud never did.RP
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Tom Campbell
From:
Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2021 6:42 pm
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Thanks for all the info.
Maybe this year some steel shows will open...best way to view a lot of guitars in one place. |
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Tom Campbell
From:
Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2021 6:42 pm
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woops "double"
Last edited by Tom Campbell on 8 Jun 2021 6:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 9 Jun 2021 5:31 am
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| FWIW, Williams now have 4/3 changers ! |
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Ken Pippus
From:
Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 9 Jun 2021 11:23 am
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| Last I looked, it appeared that Excel had 27 raises and 23 lowers. |
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Tom Campbell
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Houston, Texas, USA
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Ron Pruter
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2021 2:59 pm
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| Ken Pippus wrote: |
| Last I looked, it appeared that Excel had 27 raises and 23 lowers. |
Ken, you have me confused with your comment. We're talking holes for raises and holes for lowers per changer finger. RP
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Ken Pippus
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Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 9 Jun 2021 3:27 pm
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It was an exaggeration. I think it's actually 6 and 4 or something. 5 & 3 with a couple spares? Can't imagine a setup it couldn't accomodate. |
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Ron Pruter
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 10 Jun 2021 5:20 pm
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Holy smokes!
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Jimmy Gibson
From:
Cornwall, England
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Posted 11 Jun 2021 1:03 am Bennett changer
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| 4x4 changer.Picture file |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2021 4:52 am
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On my Excel, one raise and one lower is used by the E9/C6 lock lever:
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 16 Jun 2021 6:48 pm
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| John McClung wrote: |
| Donny, the "Bradshaw gizmo" as I've dubbed it, can work, but can also create new problems. A pull rod's pull is often not straight but pulling slightly sideways and can create problems with that pull and anything adjacent... |
I see what you're saying, John, but they work fine on a properly set-up guitar; that's key. If you're guitar isn't set-up properly, and rods are pulling at angles, you'll likely have problems either with or without these devices.  |
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