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Ian Rae


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Redditch, England
Post  Posted 5 Mar 2020 5:01 pm    
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As starting new threads is topical just now, here's one. This may have been raised before but facts can go out of date.

I have had my long-scale Excel uni 12 for 2 years and I decided to change the strings. This may sound like a long time but it's my gig guitar so this equates to playing it every day for three months.

It came with GHSs on it and a spare set which I installed the other day. I messed up putting on the top G# and broke it (totally my fault, not the guitar or the string - it was fine for a while). I tried three other brands that I had around and have used on 24" guitars (Ernie Ball, d'Addario, Rotosound) and they all failed. I eventually got hold of a GHS and it's fine.

So my question to players of long-scale instruments is, which brands are up to this extreme task?
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Chris Reesor

 

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British Columbia, Canada
Post  Posted 5 Mar 2020 7:46 pm    
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Jagwire 11 ga. have not yet broken on my 25.5 Superb.(Touch wood.) I have no idea who actually manufactures Jagwires, but they are good.
This is a bedroom guitar and I play more six string than steel, but still, nearly seven years and six sets is a good run.
Are the GHS strings that are working for you marked as pedal guitar strings?
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Dave Mudgett


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Central Pennsylvania
Post  Posted 5 Mar 2020 10:40 pm    
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I have a slide guitar at 25.5" with a G#4 or A4 on top. No mechanical bending, but I convertibly tune from open E with 3rd on top to open A with root on top. It's always a bit dicey keeping them from breaking, but I generally use the GHS Pedal Guitar 11p strings for them if I have spares around. These are the ones in the GHS E9 Boomer or Super Steel sets like these - https://www.ghsstrings.com/products/11404-pedal-steel-super-steelstm. Even so, they break more often than, e.g., 11p on a 24" scale pedal steel. But it sort of works.

I tried doing this on a 27" scale 8-string guitar - one of these - https://www.guitarcenter.com/Ibanez/S8-Series-8-String-Electric-Guitar.gc. No dice - no matter how thin I made the string, I couldn't get it stably up to pitch without breaking. I discussed the general issue of trying to push string tension up into the general region of breaking strength here - https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=2904395.
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Pete McAvity

 

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St. Louis, Missouri USA
Post  Posted 11 Mar 2020 12:17 pm    
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Heya, Ian. I have the exact same issue w/ my Excel D10.
George L reinforced is the only string that doesn't break immediately. Best of luck!
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Pete Burak

 

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Portland, OR USA
Post  Posted 11 Mar 2020 2:59 pm    
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Try a 12. That's what I use.
Where is the string breaking? There is a string with soldered windings if it is breaking at the ball end.
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Pete McAvity

 

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St. Louis, Missouri USA
Post  Posted 11 Mar 2020 4:20 pm    
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I’m not up on the physics involved, but my understanding is that heavier gauge = greater tension required to pull up 1/2 step= more likely to break. 11ga George L reinforced have worked for me, but even then I’d advise getting it to pitch gradually over 1/2 hour or so. I’ve broken those too in the course of being impatient. Once on & tuned- no problems.
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Ian Rae


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Redditch, England
Post  Posted 11 Mar 2020 4:22 pm    
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I'm very happy with the GHS .011"

It's not sold as a specialised PSG string. It's the original fitment as supplied by Mitsuo Fujii.



I'm not sure how a heavier string would help. Wouldn't it require even more tension?
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