Learning Intro's ?

Gary Steele · Post by **Gary Steele** » 18 Oct 2006 10:34 am

What is the best method to learn intro's other than practice??? I have a J.N. CD but wondered if anyone has any other CD's or DVD's ETC on Intro's.
Thanks,
Gary.

Bill Ford · Post by **Bill Ford** » 18 Oct 2006 10:38 am

Herby Wallace has a cassett of intro's & turnarounds.

BF

Fred Glave · Post by **Fred Glave** » 18 Oct 2006 10:54 am

Thanks Gary, this is what I'm looking for too. I have Buddy Emmons intros and turnarounds and it's very good, but I get more out of video. Bruce Bouton's video helped me a lot. I learn quicker with visual lessons.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 18 Oct 2006 11:20 am

The typical "sears and roebuck" intro is to play the last line of the song. Or just a "151" intro.

The best way I learned intros was "having to do it" in a band.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 18 Oct 2006 11:32 am

yes what Jack said..

Have the singer sing you the last line of the verse..

Generally, as Jack has mentioned, that is the
root to the 5 back to root for most common Country songs..and the formula woks for many many more.

Learning Intro's and endings from courses is very good, but learning to FLY with the last line of a song is the key..

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Wayne D. Clark · Post by **Wayne D. Clark** » 18 Oct 2006 1:25 pm

Fred, I'm with you on the visual, I learn better If I can See what they are doing, When I started Playing back in the 40's, We would listen to records by the hour to get just the right note or run or position. Still do. Gary I have a DVD from Gary Moore, Pedal Steel Guitar Gospel Intros & Turn Arounds. producced by MS Studio Saraland, Al There phone number is no longer in service. I'm not sure it is still abaliable. Moore also did one on Major Chords for the E9th Tuning as well.That one has been helpful to me. Here is a phone number, that is still in service.maybe it will help. (251 666 8975)

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Richard Tipple · Post by **Richard Tipple** » 18 Oct 2006 2:19 pm

There are tons of Intros, & turnarounds at the |Ricky Rebel Steel site, enough to keep one busy for a long time & lots are tabbed out
I like to figure out the Intros on my own rather than play by tab as so as to not rely on tab but more my ears. There are some that I have to look at the tab when I cant pick it up by ear though.
There is a beautiful C pedal Intro to Jack Greens (If I Can Stay Away) love it !

Tony Dingus · Post by **Tony Dingus** » 18 Oct 2006 7:04 pm

Steve Palousek has a video on intros plus other videos.Good stuff.

Tony

Dean Richard Varga · Post by **Dean Richard Varga** » 18 Oct 2006 10:51 pm

Hey Gary

I asked the same question of a teacher thirty years ago and his answer has always stuck with me,... as has been earlier mentioned....

the hook from the verse is often the title of the song

example: Hank Williams song "I can't help it if I'm still in love with you",

regards,dean

Fred Glave · Post by **Fred Glave** » 19 Oct 2006 7:17 am

As far as intro's and turnarounds go, I don't have much of a problem figuring out the chords to them, 1-5-1 etc., or the basic melody. I like the learning material to find out what grips(voicing), pedals, levers, and movement the player used. It helps me know the neck of the guitar better.

Gary Steele · Post by **Gary Steele** » 19 Oct 2006 8:23 am

I never got into learning intro like i should have. Plus for about 15 years i done a lot of singing and not a lot of steel. I'm starting to pay a lot more attention to kick off's and its getting easier.With any kind of lesson material it will make me foucs more on this.I do fairly well with back up and turn arounds but i think with intros i guess i think i'm gonna mess it up.
I'v been looking at my Newman intro by number and this is interesting. It seems like these are easier with the numbers. naturally it would be with a 1,4, and 5 being the same in any key. I'm really sorry i didnt pay lots of attn to intro's years ago. So if you are new to this dont fail to pay attn to intros.[This message was edited by Gary Steele on 19 October 2006 at 09:24 AM.]

C. Christofferson · Post by **C. Christofferson** » 19 Oct 2006 6:42 pm

You said, Tony, that 'learning to fly with the last line of a song is the key'. Would you elaborate on that? Sounds interesting.

Lem Smith · Post by **Lem Smith** » 19 Oct 2006 6:55 pm

I'm sure Tony will answer for himself, but what I take him to mean is that once you are able to create your own intro's from hearing the tag line of a song, then that opens up a whole world of possiblities to you. You're not locked into having to play it exactly as someone else has tabbed it out, but are able to use your own creativity. This is particulary helpful when setting in with a band for the first time, and having to come up with intro's for songs you're not really used to playing, and there's no time to learn them from tab.

Hope this made sense.

Lem

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 19 Oct 2006 9:04 pm

As I said, and Tony agreed with me, playing the last line of a song will work for most intro's.

e.g. the song "Take Me As I Am". The last line is "Take me as I am or let me go". In numbers that would be 1551, which is what you would play. You could also tag that with a 57(5 seventh chord) to lead the singer into the song.

Take another song and it works the same way. The song " Way to Survive", the last line is "But for me it's a way to survive" or in numbers 1551 (again).

Russ Wever · Post by **Russ Wever** » 20 Oct 2006 12:17 am

Jack,

For the two tunes as your examples, doncha mean to say 5 5 1 1 rather than
1 5 5 1 ?

~Russ

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 20 Oct 2006 2:01 am

Russ, yes. I'm not much for converting to numbers.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 20 Oct 2006 3:47 am

learning to FLY with the last line...

LEM , right on the button....
Jack, you too...

Meaning ..playing it on the FLY...

Once you have come to the point on your Instrument, not just the Steel, any Instrument,where you can transfer what you hear to the fretboard or keyboard... you can FLY with the best of them.

You don't have to learn ANY Intro's or endings..not thats theres anything wrong with that

The point is, and many of us heard this from Jeff Newman very early on, if you have to think about what intro you are gonna use which you have memorized, or what ending, it's too late.

Now you don't have to play a last line melody line perfect but it needs to be in the correct numerical formula which will allow the band/singer to KNOW where the music is..

Learn the Isntrument first, the phrases will follow...

A great bandstand player isn't necessarily the one who can play all the PF, Lloyd or Buddy licks, it's one who can play the songs on the FLY..

Learn the Intro's and Endings, but LEARN why they work and where they come from.

happy friday...

oh..and if you happen to be one of those bandstand players that CAN play all the PF, Lloyd or Buddy licks..then you are living a good life !

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Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 20 Oct 2006 5:09 am

There are some great thoughts here, and one boiled it down:

"the hook from the verse is often the title of the song"

If you just use the "hook" as an intro, you'll be right 99% of the time...and it's always more appropriate than some correct-key intro you learned from tab.

Just use part of the song, and throw in your own small twist. the audience will often know what's coming up, and you'll be playing *the song*, not something irrelevant just to show off.

Mike Sigler · Post by **Mike Sigler** » 20 Oct 2006 5:33 am

Gary
I have a cd that has been out about 2 years called (5 HOT COUNTRY INTROS) it has sold about 4 to 500 copys already, with great reviews. It is like having a personal teacher right in front of you, and being on cd, you can back it up as many times as you like.. I have been getting a lot of E-mails to resume more of this series... Maybe some of the guys here have it, and can give you there feedback..
Sale's for $10.00 bucks plus a couple for shipping.
Mike

Fred Glave · Post by **Fred Glave** » 20 Oct 2006 6:58 am

Tony Prior's philosophy is great. I played 6 string for years and I survived by doing just what he advises. But I'll tell you the steel is something else, at least to me. When I play a tab from Buddy or Herby Wallace and see the strings they use it amazes me. When I learn their voicings I can then do my own improvosations noodling around and learn tons that way.

Gary Steele · Post by **Gary Steele** » 20 Oct 2006 9:06 am

Thanks so far. Actually i always thought it was best to listen to the hook in the song. It is fun looking at it different ways.
Gary.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 20 Oct 2006 10:30 am

AS much as I'd like to claim the fame here..

it IS NOT my philosophy...

I picked it up from others along the way, including the late great Jeff Newman.

Mike Sigler has a CD available and if you are in need of a jump start,

then there ya go...

none better than Mike....

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