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Rose Sinclair

 

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Post  Posted 10 Nov 2019 12:27 pm    
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Hi Formites-
I'm a huge fan of the Noel Boggs and Herb Remington small jazz combo records from the 50's and 60's where they play standards and old pop songs. (Examples: Noel Boggs Quintet, "Magic Steel Guitar," Herb Remington's "Steeling Dreams" and "Steeling Love."

Peewee Whitewing and Bobby & Larry Black had a band in California called the West Coast All Stars which played a lot of that stuff. Are there recordings?

I'm looking for any suggestions or info on more of these older recordings--also photos! I've heard there was quite a scene of these little combos in California during that time.
Thanks!
Rose
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Jim Palenscar

 

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Post  Posted 10 Nov 2019 11:21 pm    
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Rick Abbott

 

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Post  Posted 11 Nov 2019 6:33 am    
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I'd bet that Lee Jeffriess knows a lot about that subject. PM or email him, he seems to know just about everything from that era.
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Mitch Drumm

 

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Post  Posted 11 Nov 2019 1:50 pm    
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Rose:

Here's a few. It's a very narrow category as you have defined it.

I’ve omitted a lot of “steel guitar instrumentals” of pop songs that are mostly by well-known players post 1970 and are either live performances or were released on CD by the individual steel player—such as Al Vescovo, Billy Robinson, Bobby Ingano, Buddy Emmons, Curley Chalker, Hal Rugg, Weldon Myrick, Doug Jernigan, etc.

Also omitted all the recordings Joaquin Murphey did with The Plainsmen and otherwise.

Excluded anything prior to the late 1940s, other than the Peck’s Bad Boys, which is from about 1942.

Felix Mendelssohn did a lot of great steel instrumental standards with Roland Peachey or Harry Brooker on steel, but I think it's before your specified era. Limehouse Blues, Caravan, Dinah, Saint Louis Blues, Cherokee, Lady Be Good, Japanese Sandman, etc.

I excluded anything with a vocal, anything that might be heard as “too country” (no "Detour", no Bob Wills or Milton Brown), or anything not a “standard” in the traditional sense--written pre-1950.

Offhand, I’m not aware of any LP or CD that collects this stuff, but I’d guess you could find at least half of it on Youtube.



Jimmie Rivers with Chuck Wright; Jazz Me Blues and I Don’t Love Nobody

Pee Wee King with Bobby Koefer; Flying Home, Woodchopper’s Ball, Seven Come Eleven

The Whippoorwills with Max Dauphin; South Of The Border (a Canadian band, circa 1964)

Boots Woodall; Marie, from live radio

Eddie Cletro with Al Vernon; Back Home In Indiana, from a TV appearance, 1950s

Ferlin Husky with Curley Chalker: Caravan; I think this is from the 1960s, but unissued for 30 years.

The Hushpuppies with Billy Cooper; Lady Be Good; this might be a radio transcription. Ferlin Husky's band.

Hank Thompson with Bobby Garrett; Charmaine

Freddie Tavares with T. Texas Tyler band; Coquette; live radio

Freddie Tavares with Wade Ray band; South; live radio

Speedy West instrumentals with Tennessee Ernie Ford; Lover, Perdido, In The Mood, and South; all transcriptions

Wade Ray with Noel Boggs; Perdido; from the 1950s but unissued for 50 plus years.

Jack Mooney; Seven Come Eleven; Canadian; you should get his Canadian LP.

Mel Price with Gene Long; Sweet Georgia Brown; live radio

John Hughey; Back Home In Indiana; I think this may be a radio transcription from when he was with Slim Rhodes, maybe early 1960s.

Rico Turchetti; That Da Da Strain

Neil Livingston; Saint Louis Blues; unissued acetate circa 1950.

Peck’s Bad Boys with Jimmy Smith; Variations In Jazz (I Never Knew)
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Post  Posted 11 Nov 2019 2:23 pm    
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Benjamin Franz

 

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Post  Posted 12 Nov 2019 12:39 am    
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Billy Jack Wills, featuring a very young Vance Terry on non pedal steel, and also the recordings of Vance Terry on pedal steel with Jim Rivers, on an album called Brisbane Bop.
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Walter Stettner


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Post  Posted 12 Nov 2019 7:42 am    
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A great Jazz album by Jody Carver & Johnny Cucci "Hot Club Of America In Hi-Fi" from 1958.

Track Listing:

Misirlou
Wabash Blues
Brazil
Limehouse Blues
Swamp Fire
(A) Moritat (B) The 3rd Man Theme
Minute Waltz
Hora Staccato #
Idaho
Autumn Leaves
Sicilian Tarantella
Caravan



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Mitch Drumm

 

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Post  Posted 12 Nov 2019 10:32 am    
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Rose:

Here is about the best version of C Jam Blues you are ever likely to hear, from 1957. Owen Bradley on piano; Joe Holley on fiddle, Jack Ansiel on steel guitar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWANXIQrgww&list=RDqWANXIQrgww&start_radio=1#t=2
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Rose Sinclair

 

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Post  Posted 16 Nov 2019 7:34 am     small western swing jazz combos
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Thanks for all the great ideas! I do have most of the records mentioned, but will start with some of the youtube suggestions! I have a little quintet in Austin playing this stuff and love it so much I feel like I grew up in the wrong era so I'm always looking for role models! Very Happy
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Craig Stock


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Post  Posted 17 Nov 2019 3:03 pm    
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Rose, Don't look at it that way, I'd say you are in the right era to bring music from an old era to a new one. I feel the same way, I missed a lot, but am able to enjoy the past and enjoy the present.

Will love to hear how you interpret it!
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James Flaherty

 

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Post  Posted 9 Dec 2019 9:58 pm    
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Dave Stogner lived here in Fresno and had his own TV show for a while.
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Rich Sullivan


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Post  Posted 10 Dec 2019 3:37 pm    
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Hey Rose,

Long time. I know you play Jersey Bounce. Have you heard Hank Penny's version? Remington plays some nice stuff, maybe on B11 neck. Benny Garcia plays a killer break on guitar also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_sHxZtaOxo

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Rich Sullivan


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Post  Posted 10 Dec 2019 3:57 pm    
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You've probably heard this one, but there is a Billy Jack Wills recording of Caravan with Vance and Tiny playing a twin lead, but no solos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDDEsDaU1Q

Do you have the Jimmy Rivers and the Cherokee Cowboys recording (with Vance Terry), Brisbane Bop? It's a must have. It is almost all pop standards or jazz standards, including On The Alamo, Cherokee, Swedish Pastry, Tippin' In, Slow Boat To China, Back Bay Shuffle, A Smo-o-o-oth One, Hold It,After You've Gone, It's All Your Fault, Airmail Special, How High The Moon, It's A Sin To Tell A Lie. If you don't have it, you can find all of these on Youtube.
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Jack Hanson


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Post  Posted 10 Dec 2019 5:25 pm    
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Rich Sullivan wrote:
Brisbane Bop? It's a must have.

Agreed. Almost as good as it gets.

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Rose Sinclair

 

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Post  Posted 24 Dec 2019 12:07 am     small western swing jazz combos
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Thanks again everybody for all the great input!
Thanks Rich, for the Hank Penny "Jersey Bounce"(love that guitar solo), and yes, I've studied that Billy Jack Wills version of "Caravan" with Vance Terry - nice twin melody and Vance plays some cool, rhythmic back-up parts. Brisbane Bop with Vance is one of my all-time favorite records!
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