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Ken Boi
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Posted 30 Sep 2019 7:06 pm |
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As mentioned in this oversight article, I agree that Glen Campbell was really overlooked. He was mentioned but his affect in both the country and pop charts wasn’t really emphasized very well.
I didn’t catch any mention of Randy Travis, unless it was rather quick. I thought he was really big during his popular years.
On the other hand I thought Johnny Cash received too much coverage.
Overall it is a good series IMO. |
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Travis Wilson
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Posted 1 Oct 2019 4:38 am
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On the other hand I thought Johnny Cash received too much coverage.
Overall it is a good series IMO. |
Johnny Cash is the country artist that people who don’t like country music like. So I’m not surprised. I really don’t consider Cash “countryâ€, I don’t know what I’d call it really. |
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Dennis Brion
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Posted 1 Oct 2019 5:46 am
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I would have to agree with that statement!
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Fred Treece
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Posted 1 Oct 2019 7:47 am
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| Nobody is more country than Johnny Cash. One concept the documentary attempts to drive home is that country music is a soup or a stew that derives its sound from a variety of sources and traditions. JC is an excellent personification of that. |
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Dennis Brion
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Atwater, Ohio USA
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Posted 1 Oct 2019 7:52 am
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Didn't say I didn't like Cash just agreed with the statement, non country fans all know Cash more for a rebel against the establishment! Can't say he was one of my favorites though, liked Hank Snow, Faron Young, Jim Reeves, Day Price...I think they all shaped country music more than Cash.
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Dennis Brion
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Atwater, Ohio USA
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Posted 1 Oct 2019 7:53 am
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Ray Price dam keyboard!
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 1 Oct 2019 11:59 am
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There's a place for keyboard (piano) in country music.
Just listen to Gene Watson, he has the best sounding piano on any country record I've ever heard. 
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Dennis Brion
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Atwater, Ohio USA
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Posted 1 Oct 2019 12:58 pm
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Love Gene Watson going on the country music cruise in January he is on the cruise, Wade hayes, T Graham Brown, David Frizell, 40 others can't wait!
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 1 Oct 2019 1:01 pm
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I think that I have more CDs by Gene Watson than any other country artist.
Erv |
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Ken Boi
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Arizona, USA
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Posted 1 Oct 2019 1:28 pm
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| Dennis Brion wrote: |
| Ray Price dam keyboard! |
Ray Price was hardly mentioned either. |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 2 Oct 2019 3:31 am
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There was a quick photo of Elizabeth Cotton at the end, but no mention of her. A small omission, perhaps, but a famous picker.
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Kenny Davis
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Posted 2 Oct 2019 8:09 pm
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I got the companion book in the mail today. Over 500 total pages. There's more in the way of other artists mentioned, like Stoney Edwards and O.B. McClinton, and several others. The best thing about the book is being able to spend some time looking at the pictures and reading the stories. The film was so fast paced, it was sometimes hard to absorb.
It's a very nice book, and mirrors the film series with more content. Ken Burns and Dayton Duncan also addresses the "sprawling and complicated story of what many people consider a simple art form" explaining it wasn't meant to be a Country Music "Encyclopedia" but a narrative. They also used some words of wisdom that a couple of great songwriters had told them when they discussed the agonizing choices they had to make in content selection.
Not related to the book...did anyone else notice that at the end of the film series they showed the quick picture of the Dixie Chicks followed by one of Toby Keith? Was that by design? I don't remember hearing anything of their little war of the words mentioned earlier. |
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Don R Brown
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Posted 3 Oct 2019 4:02 am
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Not related to the book...did anyone else notice that at the end of the film series they showed the quick picture of the Dixie Chicks followed by one of Toby Keith? Was that by design? I don't remember hearing anything of their little war of the words mentioned earlier. |
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b0b
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 5 Oct 2019 1:53 pm
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| Country music is loaded with class warfare and politics. If you didn't notice that until the Dixie Chicks, it just means that you agreed with the sentiment. |
And rock music isn't?  Likewise with rap, folk, and reggae. In fact, some forms and genres seem (and actually are) built upon discord, but they get surprisingly little criticism about it anymore. Country music is just today's easy target. Twenty years ago, it was rap. And long before that, it was rock 'n roll.
In the end, most all music is emotion, and to a large extent, it's about struggle, strife, love and hate. |
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James Mayer
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Posted 7 Oct 2019 1:03 pm
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
| James Mayer wrote: |
| Country music is loaded with class warfare and politics. If you didn't notice that until the Dixie Chicks, it just means that you agreed with the sentiment. |
And rock music isn't? |
I didn't write that it isn't. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 8 Oct 2019 5:17 am
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| James Mayer wrote: |
| Country music is loaded with class warfare and politics. If you didn't notice that until the Dixie Chicks, it just means that you agreed with the sentiment. |
Sorry, I may be alone, but I can't agree with that. Being ignorant of a trend, or not noticing it, does not mean that you agree or support it. Things often get overblown in some people's minds, and what's a major issue to some is not always a major issue to everyone, nor should it be.
The two major forms of mainstream music now are rock and country. I feel that your saying that country music is loaded with class warfare and politics could give some the false impression that those qualities aren't found as readily in other types of music. That's all I was trying to say, and I'm sorry if I was misunderstood.
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b0b
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Posted 8 Oct 2019 7:02 am
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| The two major forms of mainstream music now are rock and country. |
I disagree. "Country" is the only rock you'll find on the charts these days. There are virtually no rock bands in the Billboard Top 100. It's all modern pop, hip-hop, and what they call country.
As for real country, it's been renamed "Americana" - a much smaller genre like classical, jazz, and now rock.
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Joe Alterio
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 8 Oct 2019 8:51 am
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| I’d say Mark is pissed, and perhaps rightfully so. Thanks for posting, Joe. |
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Brooks Montgomery
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Idaho, USA
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Posted 8 Oct 2019 9:17 am
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wow.
Good read.
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 8 Oct 2019 10:37 am
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
| The two major forms of mainstream music now are rock and country. |
I disagree. "Country" is the only rock you'll find on the charts these days. There are virtually no rock bands in the Billboard Top 100. It's all modern pop, hip-hop, and what they call country.
As for real country, it's been renamed "Americana" - a much smaller genre like classical, jazz, and now rock. |
b0b, I don't want to get tangled up in semantics. Billboard has no "Modern Pop" classification on their top 100 charts, but they do have "Rock". Their official chart designation for that category appears to be "Rock and Alternative"
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Billboard Hot 100 Top 20
01 October 2019 - 07 October 2019
The Hot 100 is the United States’ main singles chart, compiled by Billboard magazine based on sales, airplay and streams in the US. View the full Hot 100 here.
Singles, Albums, Compilations, Dance, Urban, Rock & Alternative, Film, DVD & Blu-ray, Streaming, Vinyl, USA, Irish, End Of Year |
Here's a small sampling of what's on the singles charts this week...
SENORITA
SHAWN MENDES & CAMILA CABELLO
SYCO/ISLAND
SOMEONE YOU LOVED
LEWIS CAPALDI
VERTIGO
RAN$OM
LIL TECCA
GALACTIC
NO GUIDANCE
CHRIS BROWN FEATURING DRAKE
CBE
PANINI
LIL NAS X
COLUMBIA
BAD GUY
BILLIE EILISH
DARKROOM
CIRCLES
POST MALONE
REPUBLIC
GOODBYES
POST MALONE FEATURING YOUNG THUG
REPUBLIC
OLD TOWN ROAD
LIL NAS X FEATURING BILLY RAY CYRUS
COLUMBIA
I DON'T CARE
ED SHEERAN & JUSTIN BIEBER
SCHOOLBOY/RAYMOND BRAUN/ATLANTIC
TALK
KHALID
RIGHT HAND MUSIC
SUNFLOWER (SPIDER-MAN: INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE)
POST MALONE & SWAE LEE
SUCKER
JONAS BROTHERS
REPUBLIC
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Fred Treece
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California, USA
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Posted 8 Oct 2019 10:57 am
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Uh, hello? Billboard?
rock and roll
/ˈˌräk É™n ˈrÅl/
noun
noun: rock 'n' roll; noun: rock'n' roll
a type of popular dance music originating in the 1950s, characterized by a heavy beat and simple melodies. Rock and roll was an amalgam of black rhythm and blues and white country music, usually based on a twelve-bar structure and an instrumentation of guitar, bass, and drums.
I also like the phrase “rock n roll wasâ€....
This definition also plays into Mark O’Connor’s very comprehensive dissertation on the PBS special. |
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Dennis Brion
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Atwater, Ohio USA
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Posted 8 Oct 2019 12:47 pm
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Think I agree Fred, how could they skip so much! I really liked Buddy and the boys in the video posted after his commentary. Buddy, Jerry, Mark and those guys are pickers extraordinaire,first time I saw that video totally awesome!
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 8 Oct 2019 6:53 pm
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I guess you're right that it's semantics, Donny. None of the songs you listed sound like rock music to me. I mean, isn't a guitar an essential ingredient? All of those songs are just synths with auto-tuned vocals. No stringed instruments - not even real drums. I can't call any of it "rock". But if you want to call it "rock", and if you want to call their country charts "country", then I suppose you're right that "The two major forms of mainstream music now are rock and country".
They just don't sound like that to me.
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