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Mark Helm


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Post  Posted 16 Jun 2019 10:30 pm    
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I see some people use a volume pedal w/ non-pedal steel. What’s the best one to use for Western music? Any notes on technique appreciated!
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Gene Tani


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Post  Posted 17 Jun 2019 3:06 pm    
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There's always Goodriches in the "For sale" classifieds, if you don't like yours, easy to sell. Ernie ball is the reliable basic option, you can get one for $50 used but check if the string is in good condition and properly wound around the spindle.

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Steve Lipsey


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Post  Posted 17 Jun 2019 3:11 pm    
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And there is the wonderful light, little Moyo pedal, a bit (actually, quite a bit, but really well-made) more pricey, but fits nicely right on a small pedalboard, and you don't need a pac-a-seat to carry it...built by a pedal steeler...I put it on the same little board as my Milkman "The Amp", carry everything over the shoulder ...add a couple of those new tiny pedals and you have a complete setup...(I've switched that Sonicake for a TC Electronics chorus).
https://reverb.com/item/4390294-moyo-mini-volume-pedal


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Tim Whitlock


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Post  Posted 17 Jun 2019 3:57 pm    
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My favorite is the Fender Vol/Tone pedal. Works fine as a passive volume pedal and it's fun to use for Speedy West doo-wah effects.
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Jim Graham


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Post  Posted 2 Jul 2019 3:18 pm    
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I use a passive volume pedal for "volume swells", basically, back the volume right off, pluck a note or chord and bring the volume up. It's especially effective if you slide down a few frets just as it's reaching peak volume. I've been using a volume pedal for every instrument I play(conventional guitar and banjo as well as lapsteel). I find it's very useful for setting my volume on the fly during songs with my band and allows me to adjust instruments with different output levels easily.
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Steve Lipsey


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Post  Posted 2 Jul 2019 3:25 pm    
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Further thoughts....I used it because I basically am imitating pedal steel in my alt-country band, and it is used as described above for swells routinely there...but I've found that just the sliding up from below swoop is enough, no need for the swell on every note like with pedal steel...the audience won't know the difference, and pedal steelers will know that you aren't really playing a pedal steel no matter what you do...
I have a volume control on my lap steel for adjustments or swells occasionally, and a small boost pedal on my board for a bump during solos, or partway when doing big slides through transition chords, like on pedal steel...
So I killed the volume pedal - it was harder to avoid accidentally cutting the volume than it was worth...on pedal steel, where using it is a constant thing, that isn't an issue...
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Mark Helm


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Post  Posted 2 Jul 2019 6:04 pm     Tahnks Stephen!
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Wow.. that was so thoughtful, Stephen...thanks! I've never played pedal, but I've been curious. So thanks. You're aces!
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Mick Hearn


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Post  Posted 3 Jul 2019 12:59 pm    
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I am using a ShoBud string operated pedal. Love it. Not keen on the ZB pedals although I have two laying around.
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Paul Seager


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Post  Posted 4 Jul 2019 12:51 am    
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I have several volume pedals and have a preference for those with a minimum volume setting. I use the pedal for swells so, kind of emulating the pedal-steel sound on slower songs.

I use two pedals regularly: A Morley which is active, as it uses a light sensor instead of a pot; a Boss which is passive. I don't like relying on batteries so I always use a power supply with the Morley, meaning that it has to be a long gig for me to bother to take it. The Boss is smaller, lighter and of course requires no power source. I use that for jam-sessions and rehearsals.

The Morley is IMO by far the better of the two as I find it more reactive but that is entirely my preference.
I bought both used and they are reliable. Others that I have include a cheap Bepesco (cheap means terrible!) and a Goodrich which felt nice when I got it but the string mechanism creaks and despite many attempts to rectify, it annoys the heck out of me and, probably inspired me to try the non-mechanical Morley. I've never tried the active Hilton as they are not easily available in Europe but many swear by them.

Just on pedal positioning in the chain: I put it directly after the instrument and before delay and reverb effects. I don't use distortions or compressors but I guess they should come before the volume pedal in the chain.

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Richard Sinkler


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Post  Posted 4 Jul 2019 6:05 am    
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Steve Lipsey wrote:
Further thoughts....I used it because I basically am imitating pedal steel in my alt-country band, and it is used as described above for swells routinely there...but I've found that just the sliding up from below swoop is enough, no need for the swell on every note like with pedal steel...the audience won't know the difference, and pedal steelers will know that you aren't really playing a pedal steel no matter what you do...
I have a volume control on my lap steel for adjustments or swells occasionally, and a small boost pedal on my board for a bump during solos, or partway when doing big slides through transition chords, like on pedal steel...
So I killed the volume pedal - it was harder to avoid accidentally cutting the volume than it was worth...on pedal steel, where using it is a constant thing, that isn't an issue...


See blue highlighted text. Do you really think that statement is accurate? PSG players DON'T swell on every note. That is generally considered bad technique. It gets really nerve wracking, very quickly.
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Steve Lipsey


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Post  Posted 4 Jul 2019 10:51 am    
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Well, by "swell" I guess I meant using the volume pedal to increase sustain by swelling the volume as it fades, more than actually starting a zero and swelling into the note..
But you also make the point that it isn't really needed anyway, I suppose, unless you want it for sustain beyond what your instrument provides, which is where I use the volume knob or the TC Electronics Spark Boost pedal...
the lap steel itself seems to provide plenty of sustain for me, generally....
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Jack Hanson


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Post  Posted 4 Jul 2019 11:00 am    
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Mick Hearn wrote:
I am using a ShoBud string operated pedal. Love it.

Me too. Sometimes you can find fixer-uppers on eBay (and elsewhere) for a bargain price. They're easy to make function as good as new.
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