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Topic: 3rd String C to C# on same pedal as pedal 8 on C6??? |
Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 10 Apr 2019 7:23 am |
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I was wondering if the 3rd string C to C# raise could be placed on pedal 8. I currently have the 8th pedal on a LKL in my center cluster of knee levers. What issues would I have if I put that 3rd string raise on the same lever as my pedal 8 changes? I currently have the 3rd string raise to C# on my RKR. Seems like a wasted knee lever if I could just move that change on to my LKL (pedal 8 ).
Also, what are your thoughts on moving A's to Bb or A's to Ab to a pedal as opposed to a lever. I currently don't have the A to Ab lever as of now. Which, if any would you put on a pedal?
My proposed copedent would be:
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LKL LKV LKR 5 6 7 8 RKL RKR
D......................D#
E...........................F
C....C#..........................D..........B
A..........Bb....................B
G.................F#...F
E...........................D#
C....C#
A..........Bb
F....E............F#
C....A............D
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That leaves me with pedal 8 and RKR (where the 3rd string raise to C# is now) to use for something.
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Last edited by Richard Sinkler on 11 Apr 2019 6:19 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Ian Rae
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Posted 10 Apr 2019 11:36 am
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I just think "too obvious". There must be some deep and meaningful reason why the tradional C6 copedent only raises 7 and not 3 so that P8 gives A7#9.
What the reason is I am not wise enough to know, but I believe it must exist.
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 10 Apr 2019 12:06 pm
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Putting the C to C# on that pedal would destroy the much used minor 7th or 13b5 (and 13b9) chord often used in Night Life, Holt It! and many other places. True it adds a more complete A7th chord for example in the open position but it destroys more than it adds.
I use the 8th pedal on a bunch of my tabs that require the 3rd string to be a C note with the 8th pedal engaged. Not at my guitar now but this has been discussed many times before!
Here's a simple example of pedal 8 without the 3rd string C to C# change (C6th - Pedal 8 Riff):
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab6.html
And the Night life change (to B7th in the tab "C6th - Night Life - Key of D")
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab5.html
and this super cool riff that's pretty common( "C6th - Just play it - Don't ask", imagine how the 3rd string raise on the 8th pedal would affect this riff, the pedal 8 change forms an 13b5 chord)
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab.html
Sound file converted to an mp3:
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab20.mp3
For those that haven't tried the 3rd string C# change, here's 12 examples:
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab8.html
and a simple explanation:
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab13.html
Last edited by Greg Cutshaw on 10 Apr 2019 12:46 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Paddy Long
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Posted 10 Apr 2019 12:39 pm
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The C to C# change is much more useful on a knee lever -- works a little like the E to F raise on E9th ...!!!
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 10 Apr 2019 2:32 pm
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| Paddy Long wrote: |
| The C to C# change is much more useful on a knee lever -- works a little like the E to F raise on E9th ...!!! |
It would still be on a lever.
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Ian Rae
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Posted 10 Apr 2019 2:32 pm
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Thanks, Greg, I'm a heap wiser now and look forward to working through those.
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Paddy Long
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Posted 10 Apr 2019 4:08 pm
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| It would still be on a lever. |
Sorry Richard I meant, on a knee lever on it's own, or with both C's to C# ....separate from the Boowah !
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John Swain
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Winchester, Va
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Posted 10 Apr 2019 4:34 pm
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| I agree with Paddy, booth Cs to C# on a kl, move boowah out to the right end to be used with p7 for 4/5 chords |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 10 Apr 2019 5:41 pm
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You would lose the A9 position (combine P8 with the C to B lever). I use that more than the A7#9 of P8 by itself.
Buddy Emmons simple RKR change is the most versatile solution.
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 10 Apr 2019 6:51 pm
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| Wow! I've never tried P8 with the C to B knee lever. Emmons strikes again with brilliance like the D to D# change on P8 and so many more. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 11 Apr 2019 6:17 am
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| John Swain wrote: |
| I agree with Paddy, booth Cs to C# on a kl, move boowah out to the right end to be used with p7 for 4/5 chords |
My pedal 8 is already on a knee lever (LKL), and has been for many years. I love it there and it will never reside on the floor again.
I'll probably leave the 3rd string raise on it's own lever. Was just wondering.
I don't even play C6 much at all any more, and was not very good when I did. D10 is too heavy. I have gone to an SD12 ext E9. Not much need for C6 around here these days. I was gigging pretty regularly (almost every weekend) for a few years, and went probably 2 years without ever touching the C6 on stage, and rarely at home.
I don't know about others, but in 49 years of playing, I have only played in 1 band that ever played "Nightlife". Big bummer as it is a great and fun song to play.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 11 Apr 2019 6:40 am
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| Greg Cutshaw wrote: |
| Wow! I've never tried P8 with the C to B knee lever. Emmons strikes again with brilliance like the D to D# change on P8 and so many more. |
What does the 1st string raise to D# give you with pedal 8? I have it on a pedal with the G string (string 5) lowered to F. It sits next to (and use with) pedal 6 to eliminate the 9th tone (G) and give root tone (F) in the middle of the tuning. It also gives a high dom-7th tone that I feel is missing for pedal 6.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 11 Apr 2019 7:03 am
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I have always understood it to be an Eb, not a D#, to give F7 instead of F6 on the top four strings with P6 down.
What else can it do?
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Greg Cutshaw
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