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Topic: Emmons p/p floor pedals |
Jack Hanson
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San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 16 Aug 2018 7:54 am |
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This question applies to the older-type pedals the factory installed on push/pull guitars, not the later LeGrande-style extruded pedals.
There were both wide and slightly narrower floor pedals, and variations of each type. It's my understanding that the wider pedals were the originals, and the narrower pedals were introduced later. In order to facilitate hanging more than 8 pedals on the pedal bar, a narrower pedal was developed.
My questions:
1) What was the approximate date the factory switched from the wide to the narrow pedals?
2) Presumably, both types were available concurrently, at least for a while. If so, for how long? |
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Jack Hanson
From:
San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2018 6:56 am
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| Somebody on this forum must know the answer. Anyone dare hazard a guess? |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2018 7:00 am
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Jack,
Some time back I traded for a p/p that, at one time, belonged to Doug Jernigan.
It had 11 foot pedals on it and of course, it had to have the narrower pedals in order to accommodate all 11 pedals. 
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Jack Hanson
From:
San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2018 8:26 am
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Erv,
I've seen ten pedals, but never eleven. Wow! My D-10 and GS-10, both 1973 models, have the wide pedals. The D-10 could not accept more than eight floor pedals and still mount the VP to the pedal rack. |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2018 8:32 am
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Jack,
I talked to Doug at a steel guitar show and asked him if he ever had a p/p with 11 foot pedals and he said: "yes".
I told him that I had it and he said: "Can I see it!".
I didn't have it with me and, besides that, it needs serious overhaul.
Erv |
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Ron Funk
From:
Ballwin, Missouri
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Posted 17 Aug 2018 5:46 pm
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Jack
'to the best of my (poor) memory, the narrower pedals were first introduced with the LeGrande.....someone else will have to chime in with what year LeGrande's were born.
I don't ever recall seeing a LeGrande with PP 'wide type' pedals
I'm thinking that for a period, PPs could be ordered from factory with (the narrower) LeGrande floor pedals - think that was an available option with my '79 Rosewood D10 PP - and I've seen a few examples of Factory-born PPs with narrow LeGrande floor pedals.
Someone more knowledgeable than me may know when Emmons factory stopped offering/making PPs with LeGrande's narrower pedals.
(Keep in mind that direct interchange of PP and LeGrande pedals & pedal rack assemblies is not recommended due to different spacing of undercarriage attachments)
I like the older wider pedals
Ron |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 18 Aug 2018 6:38 am
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I think the narrower cast pedals were introduced in the 1969-70 era.
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 18 Aug 2018 1:37 pm
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i had a 1970 that had wide pedals and my 71 has the narrow so Herb is about spot on. My 74 also has narrow.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Steven Paris
From:
Los Angeles
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Posted 18 Aug 2018 8:13 pm
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What is the width difference between the 'wide' and 'narrow' pedals?
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Bill Terry
From:
Bastrop, TX
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Posted 19 Aug 2018 12:58 pm
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My experience based on the guitars I've owned/own also correlates with Herb's info:
'67 cuttail - Wide
'66 bolt-on - Wide
'67 bolt-on - Wide
'69 fatback cuttail - Wide
'71 fatback cuttail - Narrow |
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Jack Hanson
From:
San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2018 2:04 pm
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| Both of my instruments (a D-10 and a GS-10) have wide pedals. Before the company disappeared, Bobbie at Emmons told me each was built in 1973. Both the wide and the narrow pedals must have been used concurrently, at least for a couple of years. |
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forrest klott
From:
Grand Rapids Mi USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2018 5:09 pm
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Both of mine are wide also:
66 Bolt on
70 cut tail |
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Jordan Beyer
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2018 6:06 pm
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| My 1974 has the wide pedals. Maybe it was an option, or if you wanted more than 8 pedals they were used? |
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Jim Eaton
From:
Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 19 Aug 2018 6:58 pm
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When I ordered my 75PP I had the option of wide or narrow pedals at no difference in cost.
JE:-)>
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Emmons D10PP 8/4 -75'
Emmons S-10PP 3/4 - 79'
Emmons S-12PP 3/4 -78'
MSA Legend SD12 5/5 -06'
Mullen S-12 4/5 - 1986
Nashville 112 x2 W/Knob Guards - Don't leave home with out one!
Walker SS rack system - 12"BW's
Quilter Steelaire Combo |
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Jim Eaton
From:
Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 19 Aug 2018 6:58 pm
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Emmons D10PP 8/4 -75'
Emmons S-10PP 3/4 - 79'
Emmons S-12PP 3/4 -78'
MSA Legend SD12 5/5 -06'
Mullen S-12 4/5 - 1986
Nashville 112 x2 W/Knob Guards - Don't leave home with out one!
Walker SS rack system - 12"BW's
Quilter Steelaire Combo
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Dave Meis
From:
Olympic Peninsula, Washington, USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2018 7:43 pm
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| How wide are they, respectively? Thanks! |
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 20 Aug 2018 11:20 am
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| Dave Meis wrote: |
| How wide are they, respectively? Thanks! |
The pedal-to-pedal spacing on the wide pedals is 2-3/4", on the narrow pedals it is 2-1/2". The foot pads are 1-3/8" on the wide, 1-1/8" on the narrow. The cross shaft spacing obviously has to match the spacing of the pedals too.
I have an S10 fatback that has wide pedals. I was told is a '73 but I don't know for sure. I have another late '70s PP, it has narrow |
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john buffington
From:
Owasso OK - USA
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Posted 20 Aug 2018 1:18 pm
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| My '70, '72 & '74 all fatbacks, cut tails all wide pedals. |
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 20 Aug 2018 3:13 pm
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| My '74 woody fatback has wide pedals....although I had the back apron routed out to standard leg clearance. |
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Dave Meis
From:
Olympic Peninsula, Washington, USA
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Posted 20 Aug 2018 3:58 pm
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| Thanks Ian. My '74 has the narrow pedals. |
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Jim Cooley
From:
The 'Ville, Texas, USA
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Posted 20 Aug 2018 7:34 pm
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| My '70/'71 cut-tail fatback has wide pedals. They are 2 3/4" center to center, 1 3/8" pad width, with 1 3/8" between pedals. |
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