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Topic: Quick and Easy E9th Tempered Tuning |
b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 6 Aug 2018 11:47 am |
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This sweetened tuning is not JI, ET, or meantone. It's sort of in between. It sounds good to me, and it has the advantage that all of the cents numbers are 5 cent lines on the tuning meter. I've been using it for many years.
Note: Tune the A and B pedals with both pedals down, then tune the C pedal with B and C down.
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 6 Aug 2018 2:11 pm
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That's real close to what I use. It works great.
Close enough. |
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Randy Schneider
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SW New Mexico, USA
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David Weisenthal
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 6 Aug 2018 3:47 pm
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Im gonna give this a whirl b0b. Thanks
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 6 Aug 2018 4:34 pm A little tweak may be necessary
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This works fine for most guitars, but some have more or less "cabinet drop" than most. If your A pedal alone (for a minor chord) still sounds out, tune it harmonically to the 6th string with A+F engaged. Match the 7th fret harmonic of the pedaled 5th string (C#) to the 5th fret harmonic of the open 6th string (G#).
If this applies to you, you will want to tune the 10th string A pedal to the same C# note, an octave lower. You can do that with the tuning meter or by ear.
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Jim Palenscar
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Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 6 Aug 2018 9:47 pm
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| How do your E-F changes fit in w others in the group w the F's being 15 cents flat? |
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James Quackenbush
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Pomona, New York, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2018 4:47 am
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| Whataya gotfor us 12 stringers ?....Thanks,Jim |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 7 Aug 2018 5:11 am
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| One advantage to a tuning like this is the fact that it blends pretty well with the two guitar players' out-of-tune guitars! |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 7 Aug 2018 5:20 am
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I think meantone is a good starting point for tuning a pedal steel guitar.
Here is an old discussion:
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2018 7:43 am
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| Jim Palenscar wrote: |
| How do your E-F changes fit in w others in the group w the F's being 15 cents flat? |
Technically... The F lever is actually E#, the major 3rd of C# which is tuned to -10 cents. When you engage A+F, the G# string goes flat a bit from its -5 tuning due to cabinet drop. So, the A+F major chord sounds good.
E#: -15 (F lever)
C#: -10 (A pedal)
G#: -8 (open with 3 cents cabinet drop)
Understand this: I'm not saying that the guitar is perfectly in tune. I'm saying that it sounds good. You can drive yourself crazy re-tuning every time a string goes 2 cents out, or you can compromise with something that is always somewhere between perfect JI and equal temperament, even if it drifts a bit.
Playing is more fun than tuning. 
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 7 Aug 2018 7:51 am
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| Understand this: I'm not saying that the guitar is perfectly in tune. I'm saying that it sounds good. You can drive yourself crazy re-tuning every time a string goes 2 cents out, or you can compromise with something that is always somewhere between perfect JI and equal temperament, even if it drifts a bit. |
Bingo!
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2018 7:53 am
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| Lee Baucum wrote: |
I think meantone is a good starting point for tuning a pedal steel guitar.
Here is an old discussion:
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I'm a big fan of meantone - I use it on my Hybrid D6th - but I've never had much luck with it on the E9th due to cabinet drop. Even on the Hybrid D6th, I have to tweak the A and B pedals a bit to get that E9th-like sweetness. See https://b0b.com/wp/?p=1272.
Sorry for getting so technical. It seems to be inevitable on tuning topics. 
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 7 Aug 2018 8:35 am
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b0b - That's why I said it's a good starting point.
So far, we have a tuning topic and no fights have started.
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2018 8:48 am
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Give it time! 
Erv |
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Garry Vanderlinde
From:
CA
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Posted 7 Aug 2018 3:07 pm Peterson tuner
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Can someone tell me what setting on my Peterson VS-ll can I use to try this out?
With all of its presets which one is NOT a tempered tuning?
Maybe it's time to get the old Boss tuner out. I think I saw Greg Lisz using one... |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2018 9:17 am
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Sorry, I'm not familiar with that tuner. I'm sure that none of its presets match my tempering, though.
I think I uploaded it to Peterson's Strobe HD library at one point. If they are compatible, maybe you can download it.
It would surely work with your old Boss tuner.
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Steve Huddleston
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Arizona, USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2018 8:23 pm
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| Is that F# under P3 supposed to be -0- instead of -10? |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2018 10:46 pm
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| Steve Huddleston wrote: |
| Is that F# under P3 supposed to be -0- instead of -10? |
No, that's a quirk of every sweetened E9th tuning. There are two different F# notes. One is in tune with the C#, and the other is in tune with the B.
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Jeff Harbour
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Western Ohio, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2018 3:49 am
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| b0b wrote: |
| ...that's a quirk of every sweetened E9th tuning. There are two different F# notes. One is in tune with the C#, and the other is in tune with the B. |
That's one of the reasons I eliminated my C Pedal. Without it, I can tune both of my F#'s the same (half-way between the C# and B offsets). To get back the lost chord, I go up two frets and lower my G#'s. If I tune the new G notes about 12 cents sharp, the chord (2m) sounds perfect! |
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John Sluszny
From:
Brussels, Belgium
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Posted 9 Aug 2018 10:37 am
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| b0b,as a starting point do you calibrate your E's at 440 or 442.5 ? Thanks ! |
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Roger Crawford
From:
Griffin, GA USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2018 11:08 am
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| Do you tune your F lever with the A pedal down and E lever with the B pedal down? |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2018 11:23 am
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| John Sluszny wrote: |
| b0b,as a starting point do you calibrate your E's at 440 or 442.5 ? Thanks ! |
I calibrate the tuner to A=440 Hz because that's what most bands use. I tune my E's to +5 cents as the chart indicates.
| Roger Crawford wrote: |
| Do you tune your F lever with the A pedal down and E lever with the B pedal down? |
No, I do not.
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Garry Vanderlinde
From:
CA
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Posted 9 Aug 2018 12:12 pm
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| What tuner are you using? |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Jim Fogarty
From:
Phila, Pa, USA
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Posted 9 Aug 2018 2:53 pm
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Thanks, bOb........I like this one!
I have to admit, as much as I like being in tune, I found the Newman chart and many of the others people post, too fiddley to deal with on a regular basis.
THIS I can use. |
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