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Topic: Range ? Travel of Keyless Tuners ? |
Bert Brown
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North Carolina, USA
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Posted 5 Jul 2018 10:34 am |
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Im considering a Sierra Session or Williams 400, both keyless.
I'd like to be able to tune individual string down or up a whole step (without using the pedals. It gives me open strings that fit the key at hand.
Question, Will the keyless tuners allow this OR are they only for fine adjustments ?
Thanks in advance
Bert |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 5 Jul 2018 11:01 am
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I have a keyless Williams 400 Series S-10.
There should be no problem doing that. You would need to experiment a bit to find out how far away from the roller nut would be your starting position.
Give the builder (Bill) a call and discuss it with him. He's a great guy.
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Ken Pippus
From:
Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 5 Jul 2018 11:16 am
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| Either the Williams or the GFI keyless system would Le you do much more than that. The string gauge will be the limiting factor. |
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 6 Jul 2018 7:45 pm
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It's a combination of the string gage and tuner "ratio". Other than the configuration the "math" is the same as with any other tuner and depends on how the specific ones to be used are made and what strings you use.
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Ross Shafer
From:
Petaluma, California
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Posted 7 Jul 2018 11:29 am
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The pre-2017 Sierra keyless tuners are a bit travel challenged which is why a good amount of pretensioning on that pesky 3rd string (E9) strings is helpful. That said, the Sierra tuners may still be capable of what you want to do.
The new Sierra keyless tuner has lot's of travel. |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 7 Jul 2018 1:43 pm
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This is an interesting and new question here on the forum.
But my first thought is: if you are talking about changing tunings between songs on the stand, is any keyless guitar tuner friendly enough to do that on the fly? If yes, then I'm learning something (I've never been close-up to a keyless steel and I'm a bit hazy on the practical details.) |
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Randy Schneider
From:
SW New Mexico, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2018 1:48 pm
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Jon,
The keyless tuners on my CMI use the same 3/16" tuning wrench as is used to tune the nylon nuts on the changer end. Works fast and easy - and there's plenty of available travel in either direction. |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 7 Jul 2018 1:57 pm
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| So I suppose that once you have 'do it with your eyes closed' feel for it, no problem. Thanks for helping me see it. |
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Randy Schneider
From:
SW New Mexico, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2018 2:05 pm
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The hex part sticks straight out so they are easy to see, and all the screws turn the same direction, just as you would expect a screw to turn (well, because they ARE screws!). Clockwise to tighten the string, counter-clockwise to loosen. Maybe even easier in that sense than opposing keys.
The one kicker is that you need a small allen wrench to loosen/tighten the screw that holds the string in place. So that could be a bit of a hassle in the case of a broken string. |
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