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Topic: Modern C6 Changes 4 KLs |
John Swain
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Posted 26 Apr 2018 8:00 am |
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Having C6 knee levers raising both Cs-C#, both As=Bb in combination with pedals 5 and 6 enables you to play many new positions not found on the basic setup!The combination of pedals 5+6 and C-C# and A-Bb kls can replace the 7 pedal in many uses. Try these out. Questions and comments welcome!
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Ron Hogan
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Nashville, TN, usa
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Posted 26 Apr 2018 2:08 pm
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Always great info John!
Thx,
Ron |
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Ron Hogan
From:
Nashville, TN, usa
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Posted 27 Apr 2018 10:00 am
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John, I see you raise your D string a half tone as I do. But you also lower the 6th string E to a D. I don't, but played around with it. I found it gets in my way with licks (using both changes on same knee) as in below. Do you have some examples?
http://picosong.com/wCJzA/
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John Swain
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Winchester, Va
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Posted 27 Apr 2018 1:02 pm
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| Ron, yes it can be problematic, like raising 1st and lowering 6th string on E9. I used tgge splits with my pedal 4, but usually block 6 with my left thumb if it clashes. |
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 1 May 2018 6:01 am
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The C or A minor chord can be played in 3 fret intervals allowing patterns similar to how the diminished arpeggios repeat! Also take note of the C major to minor and D seven voicings. Of course you still have all the traditional positions unchanged. JS
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John Poston
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Albuquerque, NM, USA
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Posted 2 May 2018 8:28 pm
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This is great - I've been doing a lot of copedant thinking lately and this helps.
I lower only my high A to Ab, I saw recently someone talking about lowering their string 8 to G with that same lever, have you ever experimented with that? |
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 3 May 2018 5:20 am
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| Yes, if you raise 9 to G you lose the root to the F minor which I feel is the main use of lowering A-Ab. Doug Jerniganraises and lowers 4+8 In octaves, and he knows theory well! As with everything "steel related", you compromise to end up with the most usable change! |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 7 May 2018 10:06 am
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I have most of those those changes on my D6th, except that I don't lower the 8th string. By lowering string 4 to Ab without lowering string 8, you can get a very boss sounding F7#9 with pedal 6. I've never really found a good use for the 8th string lower. The low Fm triad doesn't appeal to me.
Your LKV2 is like an E9th "G lever" - raise string 1 F# to G and lower string 6 G# to F#. I have it on LKR.
Your P4 is unique. Do you miss the standard P4 changes?
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Ron Hogan
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Nashville, TN, usa
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Posted 7 May 2018 4:15 pm
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John, I'm still experimenting with both changes. Trying to figure out what knees I'd put them on that fits me.
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John Swain
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Winchester, Va
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Posted 23 May 2018 11:42 am
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Bob, here's 2m-5-1 change that sounds neat with both A's lowered. Jernigan uses this alot in his minor key songs,ie;" Summertime" My 4th pedal is the reverse p6 that DJ has on LKL. Buck Reid put it on p4 as Emmons often did but added str10 whole tone raise. I never had a D10 with stock p4, didn'y care for the maj7 voicing.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 23 May 2018 2:55 pm
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Thanks, I'll try that. I've found the Ab lever to be most useful in minor keys where it is often a scale note.
That's nice, going from a BbMaj7 to Bbm7. I never thought of that. I usually go up a fret.
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 24 May 2018 9:49 am
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| Bob, a Bbm on the 6th fret? |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 24 May 2018 2:26 pm
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| No problem Bob, you had me going there! I recently discovered the D7 I have in the second chart. It's slightly different voicing then p6 five7 chord that fits some songs better. |
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 20 Jun 2018 9:57 am
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| I'm boosting this to get more discussion! The 5 chord one fret above the root has it's root on the 5th string. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 20 Jun 2018 12:16 pm
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| John Swain wrote: |
| No problem Bob, you had me going there! I recently discovered the D7 I have in the second chart. It's slightly different voicing then p6 five7 chord that fits some songs better. |
I often play a seventh chord with the C# lever and/or P8. It's similar to the "F lever" on E9th.
It's fun to alternate that one with P6+Bb+C# (though it's a bit hard to tune). You have all three 7th chords within 3 frets (IV7 I7 V7) in two different places on the neck.
Check out this little exercise: https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=303197
Each of those 7th chords is flanked by its V7 one fret higher and its IV7 one fret lower.
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Please forget I said that. 