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Steve Salvi


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Post Posted 5 Feb 2018 10:41 pm     Reply with quote

Howdy,
A customer has brought in an old Emmons PP (1972) and it has these weird little clips hanging the rods off the changer. Some of them are broken and I haven't even started looking at it yet.... I did a bit of googling and looking around at parts suppliers but I can't actually find any? Does anyone know where I can find a few bits for this unit?
Thanks in advance!
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Mike Scaggs


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Post Posted 6 Feb 2018 1:29 am     Reply with quote

You can make those yourself. Go to the local hardware store and get some landscaping flags. The wire they use works quite well. Use another one you have as a template.



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Erv Niehaus


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Post Posted 6 Feb 2018 8:56 am     Reply with quote

Mike is spot on, that's what I do. Very Happy
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Abe Levy


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Post Posted 6 Feb 2018 11:36 am     Reply with quote

If you don’t know what those hooks are, I’d be very cautious taking a push pull apart.
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Tyler Hall


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Post Posted 7 Feb 2018 12:21 am     Reply with quote

^^^ What Abe said^^^
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Bill Ford


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Post Posted 7 Feb 2018 5:57 am     Reply with quote

Take lots and lots of pictures before, and during teardown, and keep everything as straight and in line as possible when assembling.
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Steve Salvi


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Post Posted 7 Feb 2018 9:29 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks everyone. Here's a pic of the clips. They're a bit odd. I may just make some new rods and put a threaded insert there. Anyone done anything like that before? It's pretty flimsy! Someone's put electrical ties on there at some point to keep them closed Very Happy
Plus, someones used some pretty flimsy wire in there that does *nothing* but move around when it's actuated. Lol.
I'm wondering if I've under-quoted Very Happy
Anyways, I guess I'll just start and see where it ends up. Apparently this unit was bought a year ago from someone well known on here?
Cheers!
Steve.




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Steve Salvi


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Post Posted 7 Feb 2018 9:37 pm     Reply with quote

Here's a chassis shot. The levers a bit munted as well. It's such an unhappy guitar!

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Bill Ford


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Post Posted 8 Feb 2018 5:29 am     Reply with quote

That is totally different from any PP that I've ever seen, and I will not comment till someone that really knows these guitars comments on the mods.
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Erv Niehaus


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Post Posted 8 Feb 2018 8:57 am     Reply with quote

You don't have an Emmons. Whoa!
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Herb Steiner


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Post Posted 8 Feb 2018 9:57 am     Reply with quote

What Erv said above.

You may have an Emmons cabinet and changer, but that's about where the mechanicals end and the kluge begins.
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Steve Salvi


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Post Posted 8 Feb 2018 3:47 pm     Reply with quote

Uh oh!
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Steve Salvi


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Post Posted 8 Feb 2018 4:12 pm     Reply with quote

Yeah, funny how our brains just go with the flow. He told me Emmons, I booked it in as Emmons, but I haven't lifted it out of the case yet. Now that I actually look, the spacers between the changes are hex nuts! Look!! and the rod holding the fingers is as bent as parliament. Gaah! Oh well, he said just do what I think is necessary, I'll just see what all the pedals and levers do and take it from there. There's an engineering workshop next door....I'll see how I go.
Thanks for you're observations!
Cheers
Steve
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Tim Russell


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Post Posted 8 Feb 2018 4:23 pm     Reply with quote

The clips with the green ties around them look like model airplane clevises, used for throttle linkage, rudder/elevator rods, etc. Some of the clevises come threaded, some solder on. If you need to replace those, you could take one to a local hobby shop & show the guy what you have, to match it up.
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Steve Salvi


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Post Posted 8 Feb 2018 4:29 pm     Reply with quote

Tim Russell wrote:
The clips with the green ties around them look like model airplane clevises, used for throttle linkage, rudder/elevator rods, etc. Some of the clevises come threaded, some solder on. If you need to replace those, you could take one to a local hobby shop & show the guy what you have, to match it up.


Hey thankyou, that's good info..
I'm not so sure how excited I am about this job anymore...
I'm thinking of measuring the rods up and just making new ones with a hook...Not sure yet. I'll keep you posted!
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Henry Matthews


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Post Posted 8 Feb 2018 4:40 pm     Reply with quote

Not Emmons for sure.
I once had an 84 Emmons D-10 push pull that didn't have any those wire hooks. Someone had gone to a smaller rod, enlarged the holes on changer fingers a tad to accommodate rods, put a unique little bend on rods that would hold in fingers. The rods had to be flattened to fit between finger and changer housing. The guitar played like a dream and stayed in tune. No slop in that guitar. Never did understand why Emmons company made those highly machined parts under guitar and then put those ugly wire hooks on them. I know, they work great, lol. I later returned the guitar to factory standards and sold it to get a bolt on push pull.
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Peter Leavenworth


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Post Posted 9 Feb 2018 4:23 am     Reply with quote

Hey Steve,
Completely different topic: I see you use a Fender DeVille 410, and I have one in my stable of amps. I love how is sounds but it's just too heavy to carry around. How is yours modded?
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Erv Niehaus


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Post Posted 9 Feb 2018 9:18 am     Reply with quote

On a push/pull you cannot have a solid connection between the pull rod and the changer finger.
Not if you want to raise and lower the same string, that is.
You need to have some slack in the pull rod or the lower will NOT work and that is accomplished with that piece of wire.
Sorry, but it's just the nature of the beast.
Erv
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Mike Scaggs


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Post Posted 9 Feb 2018 11:17 am     Reply with quote

OUCH! Maybe you can show the group here pictures of the top of the guitar. I am sorry to say along with the rest that you do not have a push pull sir or any kind of Emmons for that matter.

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Henry Matthews


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Post Posted 9 Feb 2018 12:58 pm     Reply with quote

Erv Niehaus wrote:
On a push/pull you cannot have a solid connection between the pull rod and the changer finger.
Not if you want to raise and lower the same string, that is.
You need to have some slack in the pull rod or the lower will NOT work and that is accomplished with that piece of wire.
Sorry, but it's just the nature of the beast.
Erv


No Erv, it worked just fine. The little bend that was in the solid rods was long enough to allow the slack needed to lower and raise same string. I would not reccomend this type drastic change to a push pull but it did work fine and was easy to play and really felt positive. The only downside I saw was that the side of the solid rod had to be flattened enough to go between changer finger and the other part of changer which I would think would weaken the rods. This was done by grinding it off. Made them pretty thin but I never had a minutes trouble with it and played it a long time. I'm never going to do that to one but this one was that way when I got it.

Junior Knight had a push pull that Gary Hogue had modified and put nylon tuners on it just like an all pull. The end plate was machined out so you could get to nylon tuners.
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Steve Salvi


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Post Posted 9 Feb 2018 4:36 pm     Reply with quote

Peter Leavenworth wrote:
Hey Steve,
Completely different topic: I see you use a Fender DeVille 410, and I have one in my stable of amps. I love how is sounds but it's just too heavy to carry around. How is yours modded?


https://www.fromelelectronics.com/collections/amp-mod-kits/products/hrdv-mods

Hey Peter, I just got my amp guy put this kit through my Deville 410 out of curiosity more than anything. I think it's made it a better guitar amp than a steel amp though..It's certainly got way more character now. I'm not a super clean steel player as I like a little hair on the string. I play mostly Alt. country and country rock and bluesy singer/songwriter stuff. Not to say the amp isn't clean, I just run a volume in the FX loop so I can run the preamp hotter in clean mode. (when the power stage is wide open). That works for me.
The mods are reversible. You could also email Fromel and ask.
The amp is super heavy, i agree. So I went ahead and ordered a Quilter head in the hope of making a light weight rig with a single Neo 12 in a Pauwlonia box. Unfortunately, the older I get, and the older my 2 kids get, time has begun dilating. Must see if that's in Einsteins theory somewhere....
Smile
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Steve Salvi


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Post Posted 9 Feb 2018 5:25 pm     Reply with quote

Mike Scaggs wrote:
OUCH! Maybe you can show the group here pictures of the top of the guitar. I am sorry to say along with the rest that you do not have a push pull sir or any kind of Emmons for that matter.

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I think you are correct! It doesn't even have Emmons written on it :/
I wish I didn't just take the guys word for it when he booked it in. 1972 Emmons PP. No worries. Book it in. He insisted on paying a deposit and has made a few part payments. My initial plan was to charge less and take my time to learn about the PP system. Now that I've finally got it out to do the job I'v discovered it's a total dogs breakfast. Can you believe I'm the only steel 'repairer' in the state? I don't even know of one in Melbourne (500 miles away) our closest neighbour.
I'll either have to refund him, or see if he can swallow his mis-purchase and pay for the extra. To be honest. I feel a bit in over my head. Not in terms of working out the mechanism, but in terms of making any parts to suit.I'm not a machinist, just happy to fix things.
Look at the changer finger rod (?)! (The photo with the ruler) It's a Banana!
Thoughts? Very Happy






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Herb Steiner


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Post Posted 9 Feb 2018 8:35 pm     Reply with quote

It's an Emmons knock-off, based very roughly on the Emmons design and not that skilled of one I'm afraid. But I have the feeling you're aware of that now.
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Peter Leavenworth


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Post Posted 11 Feb 2018 5:57 am     Reply with quote

Thanks for the amp info, Steve, I hate to tell you that the equipment weight/lack of free time effect isn't going to get any better! Good luck with your interesting steel guitar,
Peter
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Herb Steiner


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Post Posted 11 Feb 2018 8:56 am     Reply with quote

"A total dog's breakfast." Laughing

I'd not heard that one before! Wink
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