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Jim Cohen


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Post Posted 28 Jan 2018 4:00 pm     Reply with quote

b0b wrote:
It costs very little to burn CDs these days. Check out www.kunaki.com. No minimum order.


That's who I use. $1.90 per CD, including full-color art (flat, no booklet), shrinkwrapped in jewel cases.
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Bill Erchul


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Post Posted 28 Jan 2018 4:43 pm     Reply with quote

Agreed, bOb. Those kunaki prices are quite low. Back when I was talking to Ron and Rebecca, though, I recall the price-per-unit was much higher and the popular places had packages that gave you 300 or 500 CDs. Maybe the old saying, "it takes money to make money," is relevant here.
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Greg Cutshaw


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Post Posted 28 Jan 2018 6:44 pm     Reply with quote

I rarely buy a CD anymore. Most of my music listening is on YouTube and Apple Music. I do have about 4500 steel and classic country songs on all my digital devices from my previous collections. However Apple Music now covers most of those and I can listen on my phone, in the car, through my stereo, even my watch and when needed can burn a CD for others. I say release it on digital format then it will be available to the masses.
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Bob Hoffnar


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Post Posted 28 Jan 2018 8:01 pm     Reply with quote

The problem is it is not ours to reissue. . It is a real tragedy. That Black album is the template.
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Tony Prior


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Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 2:51 am     Reply with quote

Bill Erchul wrote:
Hey Tony, you could be right about the sales potential of downloads when publishing rights are owned. All I know is that at the time, the Lashleys didn't see a favorable cost/benefit ratio and didn't have a legal eagle to sort the issues out for them. If they had had the $ back then, I'm sure they would have been happy to simply burn more CDs.


Bill you are correct.

We must keep in mind that Ron Jr. perhaps does not own the Publishing/Licensing rights and that can be overwhelming . There are several "standards" on the LP which must be licensed .
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Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 8:26 am     Reply with quote

Greensleeves and Danny Boy are public domain. 7 of the songs are Buddy's originals (Emmons Publishing Co. BMI). That leaves Night Life (publisher not listed on record).
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Barry Blackwood


Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 9:30 am     Reply with quote

Nightlife was published by Pamper Music which was co-owned by Ray Price at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Life_(Willie_Nelson_song)
Later, price sold his interest in Pamper to Willie and Hank Cochran.
http://stillisstillmoving.com/willienelson/this-day-in-willie-nelson-history-ray-price-sells-his-interest-in-pamper-music-to-willie-nelson-and-hank-cochran/
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Jim Cohen


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Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 9:34 am     Reply with quote

What is the relationship between Night Life and Sportin' Life, recorded by the Lovin' Spoonful, and credited to its band members?
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Joachim Kettner


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Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 9:45 am     Reply with quote

We'll have to ask John Sebastian, Jim. Maybe he knows. Fred Neil and Tim Hardin could have easily had a hand in writing this as it was close to their style.
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Joachim Kettner


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Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 9:55 am     Reply with quote

Your judgement is not welcome, Barry. I say whatever I want to say!
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Barry Blackwood


Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 10:50 am     Reply with quote

Not telling you what to say, Joachim, just that you and others are drifting away from the topic - "Emmons Black Album Reissue . . . ?" Would you agree?
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Brint Hannay


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Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 11:14 am     Reply with quote

Pretty brief drift: 2 posts: Jim C.'s about Sportin' Life and Joachim's reply. Otherwise, up to and including Barry's post concerning the publishing rights to Night Life, everything posted related to the possibility of a Black Album CD reissue.

Are no side notes in a topic acceptable at all? Shocked


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Jim Cohen


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Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 11:18 am     Reply with quote

Well, perhaps my post was a bit of a drift, but my subtle point was that there may be a lawsuit waiting in the wings for anyone who puts that song out again...
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Herb Steiner


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Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 3:12 pm     Reply with quote

Jim Cohen wrote:
Well, perhaps my post was a bit of a drift, but my subtle point was that there may be a lawsuit waiting in the wings for anyone who puts that song out again...


More like a lawyer's "cease and desist" letter. I doubt very highly if there's enough money anywhere in this deal for a lawsuit to be instigated.
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Jim Cohen


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Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 3:14 pm     Reply with quote

Herb Steiner wrote:
More like a lawyer's "cease and desist" letter. I doubt very highly if there's enough money anywhere in this deal for a lawsuit to be instigated.

Prolly true, Herb, prolly true.
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Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 5:15 pm     Reply with quote

The LP label credits Night Life as "P. Buskirk, W. Breeland, W. Buskirk, M. Mathews" but doesn't list a publisher. I wonder if any royalties were actually paid in the initial release. Ed Hamilton's liner notes credit Willie Nelson.
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Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 5:55 pm     Reply with quote

The earliest 1960 recording of the song shows Reeny Rhythms as publisher.

No mention of Pamper, but it is a "Prescription For Happy Times".

That's by Paul Buskirk with "Hugh Nelson" on the vocal. I think that was to get around Willie's recording contract with Pappy Daily at the time, 1960. Maybe Reeny was Buskirk's company? Willie had sold the song to him as Daily didn't like it.

Sold virtually nothing, but apparently it generated enough interest to get Pamper to acquire it.

The same master was reissued in 1963 under the name "Willie Nelson", showing both Reeny Rhythms and Pamper. I'm guessing this was an attempt to capitalize on whatever noise the Ray Price version was then making.

W. Buskirk isn't mentioned on either of these singles. Presumably a relative of Paul's, but I have no idea how that name would get on the song.

Breeland rings a bell with me, but I can't recall Mathews. Paul Buskirk cronies?




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Donny Hinson


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Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 7:16 pm     Reply with quote

Brint Hannay wrote:
Pretty brief drift: 2 posts. Up to and including Barry's post concerning the publishing rights to Night Life, everything posted related to the possibility of a Black Album CD reissue.

Are no side notes in a topic acceptable at all? Shocked


Brint, PM me if you really want to know. Winking
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b0b


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Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 10:01 pm     Reply with quote

It seems to me that the publishing rights to the songs are relevant to the topic. If we could determine the total cost of a reissue including publishing rights, maybe we could make an offer to (who?) for the master tapes.

How many steel players would buy a CD? How about a vinyl LP with a digital download card included? New LPs are going in the $20-$30 price range now. New CDs are more like $10, but they're much cheaper to make.
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Franklin


Post Posted 29 Jan 2018 10:33 pm     Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQKY2BVTgO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tkXbQuQsHo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdBPWx48hs4
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Jack Hanson


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Post Posted 30 Jan 2018 2:56 am     Reply with quote

b0b wrote:
How many steel players would buy a CD?

Count me in.
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Marco Schouten


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Post Posted 30 Jan 2018 4:25 am     Reply with quote

Franklin wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQKY2BVTgO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tkXbQuQsHo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdBPWx48hs4


Sometimes I think that I play Greensleeves and Danny Boy pretty well, and than I play these songs from the Black Album and it puts me with 2 feet on the floor again. There's still a lifetime of practice ahead of me....
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Joachim Kettner


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Post Posted 30 Jan 2018 7:12 am     Reply with quote

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How many steel players would buy a CD?

I would, too.

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Not telling you what to say, Joachim, just that you and others are drifting away from the topic - "Emmons Black Album Reissue . . . ?" Would you agree?

All is good, Barry.
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Jerry Overstreet


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Post Posted 30 Jan 2018 7:16 am     Reply with quote

For some reason, I never got The Black album. I'd probably buy the CD or maybe the LP. No digital formats for me. I like something I can pop in a player or on a turntable.

No digital devices, phones etc. in my near future.
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